Talk:There (virtual world)

Who is writing this
The first paragraph is still rediculous. Can someone who knows how to write please fix this entry.

—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 161.45.228.229 (talk) 15:38, 14 March 2007 (UTC).

First Paragraph
Does anyone else think that the first paragraph seems a little biased? I'm sure not everyone think's There is the best thing since sliced bread. 67.149.65.0

SmileyBarry 21:49, 6 March 2007 (UTC) : I edited the first paragraph to make it easier and to prevent mis-understanding the virtual world and its competitors, for the average reader.

Other entries for "There"
This should be a disambiuation page, with links to entries for "there". This cannot be the only entry people will look for; I was looking for word usage information, similer to the "it" page. Themissinglint 21:17, 1 August 2005 (UTC)


 * Since there are no articles for other meanings of "there" we'd like to reverse this disambiguation. Wikipedia is not a dictionary afterall, and the current disambiguation page just defines the word and links here.  It seemed premature to move the article.  Let's discuss this on the talk page for There if anyone disagrees.  If not, would an experienced editor please help us out?  Mescad 03:02, 10 February 2006 (UTC)


 * There is not called like it on the web currently, and is more recognized as There.com these days SmileyBarry 21:51, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

May 2004 Announcement
216.76.203.58 has removed "There Universe" as well as "Caldera Sun Times", even after others have added it back. 216.76.203.58 has also added "rumors", such as this one, found in this change:
 * In May of 2004, the company released a shocking announcement to the membership saying it would no longer develop the consumer version of There. While a small core of dedicated users continue in There, membership is for the most part dwindling as users seek other online destinations.

I hope this does not continue. --TIB 03:03, Aug 9, 2004 (UTC)
 * Turns out, the two ips who had added this information were both owned by the same guy (resolved to *.bhm.bellsouth.net) and he lives in Gadsden Alabama. It's not NPOV, he once owned the Motu Eagle (which he had edited to be "DISCONTINUED PUBLICATION"), and he is known as Evan on the SoThere forums, which you can note by how he removed ThereUniverse's forums.  Another note of interest is CST's removal, which wouldn't normally be removed, unless it was by someone who happens to not like CST.
 * Thanks, Sherlock out. --TIB 06:00, Aug 9, 2004 (UTC)


 * 213.157.97.21, who is probably the same person, just came back and added:
 * In May of 2004, the company released an announcement to the membership saying it would no longer develop the consumer version of There. While a small core of dedicated users continue in There, membership is for the most part dwindling as users seek other online destinations.
 * That version got reverted as "unsubstantiated". Part of that paragraph is true, though.  The company did make that announcement. What is unsubstantiated is the claim that the membership is dwindling.  User:Ponder 03:13, 18 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Oh lookie what I found on that So-There forum which never got vandalized, while the there universe one was repeatedly deleted. Just thought it was interesting reading. May contain clues. Any thoughts?--TIB (talk) 04:08, Aug 19, 2004 (UTC)

Copyvio?
There's an anon blanking the article and claiming copyvio. Is this vandalism or true? And also, could this be considered fair use? &mdash; Il&gamma;&alpha;&eta;&epsilon;&rho;   (T&alpha;l&kappa;)  17:58, 13 Aug 2004 (UTC)
 * Never mind. It appears to be vandalism (besides the article is fair use, right? It's not pasted from the site) &mdash;  Il&gamma;&alpha;&eta;&epsilon;&rho;   (T&alpha;l&kappa;)  18:00, 13 Aug 2004 (UTC)
 * The copyvio anon is from the same IP range as the "theresucks" vandal. Guanaco 18:13, 13 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Blocked User:203.186.154.141
I just gave User:203.186.154.141 a 24-hour block. Seemed like a reasonable response at this point. Bryan 21:52, 15 Aug 2004 (UTC)


 * Thanks. He'll be back, though.  If he continues, could you please protect this page?  [[User:supadawg|supadawg - [[Image:Bulldog.jpg|30px]]]] 22:17, 15 Aug 2004 (UTC)


 * I think that may be what he wants, based on some of those edit summary comments. I've watchlisted the page, if I see an anon vandalizing it in the future I'll see if banning him at every opportunity will work and still allow the page to be edited. I'll protect if that doesn't work well, though. Bryan 22:31, 15 Aug 2004 (UTC)

There Logo
There Inc. is very particular on who is allowed to display their logo. I don't know if it's within fair use to put their logo on the page without their permission. What's wikipedia's policy on use of company logos? Ponder 02:13, 16 Aug 2004 (UTC)


 * It has the SM trademark, I believe that's the equivalent of copyright. Should we email them? [[User:supadawg|supadawg - [[Image:Bulldog.jpg|30px|Talk]]]] 02:21, 16 Aug 2004 (UTC)


 * It is perfectly within the bounds of fair use. We are using their servicemark nominatively. The use of their copyrighted work is fair use because:


 * 1) It is used here educationally to comment on There. Also, no money is being made from its use here.
 * 2) The circular logo is a simple design, and the text is not even copyrightable.
 * 3) The entire logo is used, but the work is small and could not be sold in itself.
 * 4) Its use here would have no negative effect on their business and could only draw interest towards their site. If similar use of this logo were widespread (such as by Wikipedia mirrors), it would not hurt There, Inc.


 * &mdash; Guanaco 05:57, 16 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Vandalism
I still see the vandal's version "Caldera Suck-Times" on the page on some page loads. I tried to do a revert to fix it, but it looks like I can't edit the page right now. Is there something up with the wikipedia servers? It seems like sometimes when you load the page it's correct and sometimes you get the vandal version. :( Mescad 18:36, 16 Aug 2004 (UTC)


 * It may be that the old vandalized version is still in your cache. Try force-reloading; in Mozilla that's done by holding down the shift key when clicking the reload button, I don't know what other browsers use offhand. Bryan 23:32, 16 Aug 2004 (UTC)


 * We were clearing our caches, and people who had never visited the page before were seeing it. The problem seems to be fixed now. Ponder 23:50, 16 Aug 2004 (UTC)


 * God I can't wait for levels of protection. It will be the ultimate revenge.  The vandal stated "you have to protect this page to get me to stop", so the levels would do just that, but it wouldn't stop real wikipedians from editing.  Score. --TIB (talk) 04:03, Aug 19, 2004 (UTC)
 * Vandal is using proxies.  --TIB (talk) 23:13, Aug 19, 2004 (UTC)


 * I'll ban 'em as I see 'em. Take heart in the fact that he's wasting way more of his time at this than any of us are and when it's all over he'll have nothing to show for his efforts. Bryan 00:09, 20 Aug 2004 (UTC)

ThereGlobal
I want to detail this list of events with commentary.


 * (cur) (last) 23:01, Aug 24, 2004 80.58.50.42 (added weblink)
 * The link to ThereGlobal was added by that IP. (RIPE ISP: Telefonica de Espana SAU)


 * (cur) (last) 02:56, Aug 25, 2004 The Inedible Bulk m (relocate ThereGlobal)
 * (cur) (last) 02:58, Aug 25, 2004 The Inedible Bulk m (There in the News - refix)
 * I moved ThereGlobal from Fansites to Newspapers


 * (cur) (last) 16:53, Aug 25, 2004 Ponder (There Based Newspapers - ThereGlobal is dormant)
 * Ponder marked ThereGlobal as dormant with "No updates since may 21st"


 * (cur) (last) 20:58, Aug 25, 2004 216.47.253.233 (my fansite is not dormant - nor is it a newssite. stop vandalising my addition please. if my site is dormant, the there site should be labeled as such too. now please stop vandalisng my websites entry)
 * Person has a different IP than the original poster and claims site to be his. (ARIN ISP: Choice One Communications Inc)
 * (In that same edit, they moved the "no updates" text up next to the external link for There.com, which I removed in my next edit Ponder 00:14, 2004 Aug 27 (UTC))


 * (cur) (last) 21:23, Aug 25, 2004 Ponder (It certainly looks like a news site with its final issue on May 21st. Not really relevant to this article anymore; external links are for people seeking current information on the topic.)
 * Ponder marks site to be deleted in the future if it remains dormant, in hidden tags.


 * (cur) (last) 15:12, Aug 26, 2004 216.47.253.233
 * Same user who claims to own ThereGlobal proceeds to attempt vandalization with Goatse image.


 * (cur) (last) 15:14, Aug 26, 2004 Grunt m (rv)
 * Grunt Reverts.


 * --TIB (talk) 23:53, Aug 26, 2004 (UTC)


 * Ponder is adding his own personal issues and repeatedly attacking & deleting thereglobal.com because it isnt updated enough to his liking. (why does he care that one of the sites listed isnt updated, when most of the other sites arent either?). He claims its because the main page hasnt been updated since may, on that logic, neither have any of the sites except for the 3 news sites listed. Including There.com. If you really want to remove thereglobal.com, be my guest, but treat them fairly and remove all the other sites listed that arent regularly updated. There are plenty of sites linked on here that havent updated in even longer time, yet Ponder thinks its his personal vendetta to remove one, but ensure that another stays...*IT IS PAINFULLY OBVIOUS THAT THIS PONDER GUY IS WORKING FOR ONE OF THE SITES OR COMPANIES LISTED, AND IS TRYING TO USE WIKIPEDIA TO FURTHER HIS OWN PERSONAL GAIN. Again, LEAVE THE PERSONAL ISSUES OUT OF WIKIPEDIA, PONDER. if you remove thereglobal.com remove the other links to pages that havent been updated since may. -- User:193.128.219.152 | talk | contributions 15:18, 2004 Aug 27 (UTC)
 * The owner of thereglobal is a citizen of the United States, while you are a citizen of the United Kingdom . Thinly veiled attempts to fool get you nowhere. --TIB (talk) 20:18, Aug 27, 2004 (UTC)

well, where the owner of the thereglobal is from is not mattering. It does seem to be, for some reason this person who keeps editing, ponder, does not like thereglobal and is making rules to it for to be updated more often, but not for other links to be updated more often (like his sites maybe?). I dont know who is from where, but who is right as someone Ponder is taking it to himself to put down rules for thereglobal.com to be listed but rules that do not apply to others (his site maybe?) it seems to me like someone using wiki to hurt his competition. Is there a person who does not have interest who could decide and apply to all and not single out this one website for deleting? this ponder person looks to be working for someone and not being honest i think. perhaps talk to bodhi to find out who is ponder and why he is not liking thereglobal. Maybe remove all of them. Or leave them all alone. Thank you. --User:61.120.16.106 | talk | contributions 21:22, Aug 27, 2004 (UTC)


 * Eeergh... I hate it when there are two people who disagree on some matter, and one of them accuses the other one of having a hidden agenda. It's annoying and very immature.  I hear second-graders doing this, and the only difference is that adults are able to express it using larger words and terser accusations.  Although I can't speak for Ponder, I'm guessing that he doesn't simply dislike thereglobal.com, it is just out of date.  As he said, people visiting Wikipedia need up-to-date information.


 * Don't you hate it when you visit a web page, and at the bottom it says "Last updated June 2nd, 1996"? It's been my experience most people do.  I think the link should be kept, but with a message saying that it's slightly out-of-date.  [[User:supadawg|supadawg - Talk]] 21:35, 27 Aug 2004 (UTC)
 * I agree. Mescad and I talked, we will leave any 'news' sites which have not been updated in less than 45 days in the "Fansites" section.  I think this is a suitable compromise.  P.S. The user changed the name of this section and I've undid that.  Bans look very fun. --TIB (talk) 00:33, Aug 28, 2004 (UTC)
 * P.S. 61.120.16.106 is in Japan. Amazing how this IP suddenly has a great opinion.  Oh wait, that's because it's a proxy.  My bad.  Evading bans? --TIB (talk) 00:39, Aug 28, 2004 (UTC)


 * TIB stuck my name in his post, so I just wanted to write to confirm that I indeed had that conversation. I think that if a site hasn't been updated for more than 45 days, it no longer qualifies as a "News" fansite.  It's still a fansite though, so we can just move it down to the Fansites section.  Anyone disagree with this policy? Mescad 02:14, 28 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Herman the Dog
There is a little edit war happening between two anons over the insertion of a link to the webcomic "Herman the Dog". The one who keeps deleting it might have personal motives for deleting "Herman", but I have to agree with the other non-involved wikipedians who have cleaned out the excess links. Wikipedia is not a link collection. External links in articles should go to references that provide some measure of encyclopedic information about the article subject. There are plenty of fuzzy cases in wikipedia, and some of them might be already in this article, but as far as "Herman" goes, I don't think a webcomic that happens to be set in There is going to add very much to the reader's knowlege of the subject. Sorry, HowlinWolf. :(  And to the anon who has been deleting the link: please stop lying in the edit summary about the changes you made.  You're not fooling anyone.  Ponder 18:53, 2004 Dec 8 (UTC)

Wikipedians group in There
Are there any Thereians who are also Wikipedians? I've created a group in There for us. :) Ponder 22:40, 2005 Apr 11 (UTC)
 * I'm on SL now more than There, but I have a lifetime account for There so I'll check it out. :) -Etoile 16:01, 18 July 2005 (UTC)

Someone may want to proofread the entire article
Hi guys, I used to casually help keep up this wiki page. My There name is HowlinWolf. I don't know how to make my nickname show up here in Wikipedia.

I really appreciate that a lot of work went into the revamp of the article. At first glance, it looks very impressive. Kudos to the person or persons who wrote the new article.

But somebody may want to proofread the whole article. I would do it for you but I'm not really active in There and I'm not a member of the There-group for this page.

Just looking at the first paragraph, I noticed several typos and grammatical errors. (The second sentence is a fragment, 'vehicles' is misspelled). In the second paragraph, on what is the statement 'There is 90% user created' based? That seems like an arbitrary statement and if it is an accurate fact, which I doubt, it should be supported somehow. Otherwise it should be revised or excluded. Further in the second paragraph, the words 'dollars' and "you're" are misspelled, along with other seemingly arbitrary statements ("Since There's economy is set up this way your also able to turn it around and make money yourself").

I stopped critiquing after I looked at the second paragraph.

Overall, the whole thing looks like it could use a good once-over by somebody who is fluent in English and also knowledgeable about the topics under consideration. I would volunteer for the job but as I mentioned, I'm not a part of the group that is working on this page, nor am I active in There any longer.

I can be reached via email: chris@hermanthedog.net Howlin

Vandalism?
It seems to me that the article for There has been vandalized. Since I don't know enough about it, I'm going to have to leave it to someone else to make changes.

Maybe...
I was concerned, too. I see nothing really negative, it just seems to be a MAJOR edit...

Was the old version better? I'd like to hear some user opinions in this. -netrider6 in There Viridis

Yes, I'd call it vandalism
Yes, somebody completely redesigned the article from what it was originally. I made my comments above without reading the entire article. The grammar and spelling are horrible, it is full of sentence fragments, typos, and statements that are completely speculative.

Examples of statements that are either false, speculative, or misleading:

"There is 90% user created."

"Since There's economy is set up this way your also able to turn it around and make money yourself."

"There has entered an era where member created content becomes more and more popular each passing day."

"Since the company has begun the development of new tools for building and scripting the creativity in There will expand and advance alot more in the coming months."

"There is here to stay, thats for sure. It has always been on top and seems it'll be that way for a long time to come."

"The company which now owns There is planning on rolling out a plan to buy user created content which the community points out. Such creations like ThereOrleans have already been bought for over a million ThereBucks."

After reading the entire thing, I'm pretty sure I know who wrote this "new" article. And I believe you guys are right. This version is so poorly written that it could be considered vandalism. The article should be reverted.  Everything that was changed by 65.138.151.156 should be reverted. Howlin

'sigh
Just PICK A VERSION and stop reverting it back and forth, guys...

Personally I like the way it is now, with the Economy and etc. subheadings. --Viridis 22:38, 19 August 2005 (UTC)

Please stop vandalizing
The version that was written by Joel Brown is completely inappropriate. Joel Brown (There avatar name "jb333") has a long history of trying to disrupt forums and discussions with bogus garbage. For a quick primer on what kind of person jb333 is, here is a post that he made on There's official forums (this is possibly the only honest post that Joel Brown has ever made, anywhere):

''July 17, 2005- ''My name is really Joel and I am really 28 but I don't have a phd nor have I attended ITT Tech. I in reality found There and decided I should try it out. Maybe pull a few jokes. But in turn I have turned a whole world against a fake personality. You all were lab rats and I am truly sorry for acting how I did. After I joined There I spread this alter personality though out the internet. Starting out as a child type and then growing in grammer skills and such. I don't know how you all will react but I hope you give me a bit of mercy if you would be so kind. Well that is the truth, I bet your all suprised.''

This person, jb333 aka Joel Brown, is the one who wrote the version of the There Wiki article that begins "There is an advanced Virtual World similar to Second Life. There was created by Will Harvey and Jeffery Ventrella. With over 80 people and 33 Million Dollors There has become the most advanced Virtual World to date."

The version that he wrote is deliberately misleading, completely false, and grammatically below the level of a 6 year old's writing. He has every intention of creating false perceptions about himself and about There. He admitted in his mea culpa (pasted above) that he does this type of thing as a joke.

These are facts about Joel Brown (jb333). I do not have a personal vendetta against him, I just believe that his tripe should not be allowed to be posted as the official Wikipedia article about There. Howlin

Think of the children
I don't really prefer either version, but let's pick one and STICK WITH IT.

Chris...
The article version you wish to post paints a false picture of There. It makes it sound like a graphical chat room instead of a land of unlimited potential and unlimited possibilities. There is in fact 90% user made, look around.

If you want to do There a favor then write a decent article yourself. Look at Second Life's WikiPedia article, it has many parts and paints a good picture. It goes into great detail and helps readers decide if Second Life is for them. I'd write a long article myself but There keeps pulling me back in. Unlike some...

Joel...
Your version is 100% garbage. Please stop putting it up. We can have a nice tug-o-war with this, or you can leave the page alone. I won't allow your garbage to stay up.

To anyone else who is watching this silliness, here is the explanation that Joel gave (on There's Official Forums) as to why he is putting up his distorted version:

''Well... Hmm, i'm not gonna let Wikipedia paint a false picture of There. If you're unhappy with the article rewrite it yourself, with detail and actually make it sound more then a chat room. Look at Second Life's article, someone took it into their hands to write a nice, detailed, historical article on Second Life. That would drive people to sign up, however the one people keep putting up makes it sound like There is dying or already dead. Want to help There grow? Then sell it, lie about it, and ship it in a box.''

The last time I checked, Wikipedia articles were supposed to be a compendium of facts, not a contrived lump of propaganda written to "sell" and "lie about" There.

Joel, please stop vandalizing the article. Thank you. Howlin

POV
The current version is very POV and seems like a press release put out by There.

It says it is the "most advanced" virtual world and uses lots of overly positive language. --SecretAgent 06:39, 22 August 2005 (UTC)

BRAVO for the new version
The "unvandalized" version that I kept using for my reverts was admittedly dull and vanilla. It was, however, far superior to Joel Brown's version because it consisted of facts, not speculations and exaggerations.

This new version, posted by Jo Bleaux, is very well written, factual, and logically presented. Nice job.

Howlin 23:56, 23 August 2005 (UTC)


 * Yes, I agree this is a very nice new article. The thing is mine focused on another side of There. The creative and artistic side of a digital world created and imagined by its residents. I didn't make There sound dull and oriented around chat... I can chat in the real world.


 * Joel, I suggest you have a look at the Wikipedia NPOV policy. Your version was, in my opinion, far from NPOV.  The NPOV tutorial is a good resource to learn how to write NPOV articles.  By the way, if you want to be taken seriously I suggest you go ahead and sign into an account and take credit for your edits.  Mescad 21:02, 31 August 2005 (UTC)

Hockey
There has "avatar hockey". Is is based on ice hockey or field hockey? If you know, please edit the link to point to the appropriate page, to help clean up the hockey dab page. Thank you. D-Rock 01:12, 29 November 2005 (UTC)

Um, Article Is A Little Dull...
Um, isn't There a bit more then a "3D Virtual World"? Yes! Someone needs to tell people what There really is, a Virtual World that is changing the way people interact and communicate on the internet. There is a user built 3D platform that is possibly the most advanced Virtual World out there. Now, i'd write an article but people would say it is biased, well There is the best, no doubt about it.

DETAILS
The beginning of the Details section says There is a chat room.

I believe this to be wildly inaccurate.


 * Another big problem in the details section is the inaccurate currency exchange info.
 * "...... Monetary transactions in There's economy are done using Therebucks, virtual currency with real world value. Therebucks can be purchased directly from There, from other members, or from any of the third party online "banks" which usually offer competitive exchange rates. Members can also sell their Therebucks to banks in exchange for real world currency, usually USD."


 * I'd like to know what online banks the writer is referring to. Also There does not support exchanging Therebucks for real world currency. I've got an email I received to back that up.


 * "Dear Soede,


 * Therebucks are not convertible to cash nor do we refund Therebuck purchases or any fees that may have accrued to your Account. There has a “No Refund” policy as outlined in our Terms of Service.


 * There Customer Support
 * Email: Help@There.com


 * [THREAD ID:1-3T0Z10]"


 * If someone familiar with editing wiki pages could clean that up I would be much obliged as I was personally very misled by the info. Soede 00:34, 14 June 2007 (UTC)


 * There doesn't take money. Read that it says third-party banks. http://tbux.com/ is the only one I can think of at the moment.--Viridistalk 00:47, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

Screenshots section
Having a whole section for screenshots is not necessary. Pictures should sit as illustrations that supliment the article; these are pretty much showing off certain aspects of There. Pictures that I believe are extra pointless (and the reasons being) are: These pictures are also contributing to the current advert style of the article. Bob f it 12:34, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
 * The wide pan shot (Badly photoshopped, and who's display exceeds 4000 pixels wide?)
 * The 3 emotes groups (Not much unknown here, we know what facial expressions look like... The headings in the pictures are not much good either)

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Non-disambiguation
The accompanying article has been moved to There from There (Internet service). The reasoning behind that appears at Talk:There (disambiguation). (This relates to the discussion above at . --Jerzy•t 20:04, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

Now There's a marketing opportunity
why is this page about some website and not about the location-which-is-not-here? If i start a company called Here, can i change the Here page to spam my stuff as well? No? Well if someone can do it to this page then why the £$&$^ not that other page? Priorities, people, this should be at There (website) or something. Totnesmartin (talk) 19:17, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

Silly comments
I have deleted some silly comments - these will probably continue for the near future due to the closure. - AliV —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.69.48.60 (talk) 22:31, 10 March 2010 (UTC)

Mistargeted wikilink MMORPGs
Under Details, there exists the inter-wikilink written (entered explicitly) as MMORPGs. This should either be tagged MMOG, or sent to the proper place Massively Multiplayer Online Role Playing Game.

Someone else do it please. The fighting in here is confusing me.Tgm1024 (talk) 22:40, 21 November 2011 (UTC)