Talk:Thessaloniki Airport/Archive 1

Requested move

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The result of the proposal was procedural close. Per the Arbitration Committee, "No Macedonia-related article, broadly defined, shall be moved/renamed until after the Macedonia 2 case closes." This can be revisited at that time if necessary. Dekimasu よ! 09:22, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

Thessaloniki International Airport, &quot;Macedonia&quot; → Thessaloniki International Airport "Makedonia" &mdash; The international name of the airport is spelled with a "k". Also, no comma after "Airport". See official website. 03:56, 30 May 2009 (UTC)

To be changed after the injuction is lifted.


 * Oppose Regardless of what the "international name" (I not sure I know what that means) of the airport is, the English name is "Macedonia", and this is English Wikipedia. Ed Fitzgerald t / c 06:23, 30 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Do not move until WP:ARBMAC2 is resolved; when it is, it may be clearer what we should use here. Thessaloniki Airport, as in the first external link, may well be best; we should use a simple, unambiguated, commonly used [in English], proper name. Septentrionalis PMAnderson 15:28, 30 May 2009 (UTC)
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Quotes
Why is the name Macedonia in quotes? I'm sure the quote marks are not part of the airport's official name. Corvus cornix talk  21:16, 27 May 2008 (UTC)
 * no it's actually an official use. see . it's the one-word name of the airport. --150.140.226.7 (talk) 19:44, 4 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Hi Corvus. In Greece, it's standard practice to place the actual name of airports into quotes.  For example, Athens "Elefthérios Venizélos" Airport, Corfu/Kérkyra "Ioannis Kapodistrias" Airport, etc.  However, this looks a bit strange in English, because in the English language, quotes denote an unofficial name or nickname.  Hence, you raise a good point.  I tried changing the airport's name at the beginning of the article from Thessaloniki International Airport "Macedonia" to Thessaloniki Makedonia International Airport, to conform with English-language airport naming standards (and I used the Greek word Makedonia, although I now see below that we should use "Macedonia" because that's the region's name in English, although I disagree with that point on the airport's actual name, regardless of the region's name in English).  Anyways, my changes would not be accepted, because I think the article itself is tied to the entry Thessaloniki International Airport "Macedonia".  Plus, all the English-language Wikipedia entries on Greek airports follow the same Greek quotes standard.  I think this raises a very good question, and hopefully others can chime in.  Since these articles are English-language articles, shouldn't airport names comply with English-language standards, as opposed to Greek-language standards?  Because in English, quotes denote a nickname or unofficial name, and these articles are meant for English-speakers. Skyduster (talk) 05:30, 27 April 2011 (UTC)


 * In my opinion, another problem is that you are translating the Greek name word-by-word. In Greek the airport's name is Διεθνής Κρατικός Αερολιμένας Θεσσαλονίκης «Μακεδονία», but this translates in English as "Macedonia" International Airport of Thessaloniki. Likewise, Αεροδρόμιο «Μακεδονία» translates as "Macedonia" Airport and not Airport, "Macedonia". --Philly boy92 (talk) 10:52, 27 April 2011 (UTC)

Move discussion in progress
There is a move discussion in progress on Talk:Rhodes International Airport, "Diagoras" which affects this page. Please participate on that page and not in this talk page section. Thank you. —RM bot 11:45, 18 June 2011 (UTC)

Destinations names
I think we should vote on what we will be considering as a destination city for each airport. Airlines like Ryanair use airports serving smaller towns that are close to other cities and call the destination by the name of the city while some other airline might actually fly to both those airports and call each one with the name of the town/city. If someone could please help me set up a voting on whether we should be using the name of the city each company uses as a destination or use the name of the city included in the airport's name as the destination and the city Ryanair serves through it in a parenthesis, i.e. Bergamo (as Milan), Charleroi/Brussels, Frankfurt-Hahn (the latter actually includes Frankfurt in its official name) --Thakaran (talk) 23:54, 22 September 2011 (UTC)
 * I've been asked by Thakaran to provide an opinion on this matter, so here it goes. The first thing we should bear in mind when editing all articles is to keep them consistent with each other. That said, airport articles include the name of the city served (it is actually one of the parameters included in Template:Infobox airport), so the first thing we should do when editing any destination an airline flies to is to find the IATA and/or ICAO airport(s) code(s) in each carrier's schedules. Should any doubt persist, the next step I'd take is to go to the airport article and look for the name of the city served. The combination of both results will provide the consistency mentioned above. As to Ryanair, I've searched for a Bergamo-Thessaloniki flight, and the airline serves the BGY-SKG route. BGY corresponds to Orio al Serio Airport according to IATA airport code, and the article for the airport states that it serves Milan, despite the airport is located in Bergamo. Consistency is therefore fullfiled. Hope this lines will shed line into the subject.--Jetstreamer (talk) 23:44, 25 September 2011 (UTC)
 * The rule that should apply to me: pick the city that is in the official airport name (official, not commercial). For example, BGY airport name is "Bergamo/Orio al Serio", therefore it should be listed as serving Bergamo. RYG airport name is "Moss / Rygge", it is located in Rygge and should be listed as serving Moss. Etc etc. Although we do mention already in Ryanair destinations what name they use to advertise certain airports, I don't think we should use the advertised name in the destination lists for consistency. Same way, the "served" city in the infobox should list the same "offcial" information, not the airline's ones. Slasher-fun (talk) 08:11, 26 September 2011 (UTC)
 * I have to agree with Jetstreamer and disagree with Slasher-fun. I believe we have to search what the official websites of the airports, says that they serve. Furthermore, I think that it is better that we keep a common policy withing Wikipedia, to use the same names for the airports. For example I see that most of the articles use the name "Hahn" for the the destination and not "Frankfurt-Hahn". I believe that the way that they are writen now in the article Thessaloniki International Airport, are in the way they should. --katantonis (talk) 11:52, 26 September 2011 (UTC)
 * But how can you claim for example that HHN, 125 km away from Frankfurt, serves Frankfurt? It's not because airlines want the airport to claim they serve a specific city that it's actually true. That's why we should stick with the name: no matter what everyone can claim, we just use the official city associated to the airport. Slasher-fun (talk) 11:24, 26 September 2011 (UTC)

Requested move 2

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The result of the proposal was not moved. --BDD (talk) 19:16, 8 October 2012 (UTC) (non-admin closure)

– According to Article titles, titles should be precise enough to unambiguously define the topical scope of the article, but no more precise than that. Therefore, I believe that the articles' titles should not include National, International or Island since nobody refers to them including those characterizations.
 * Thessaloniki International Airport → Thessaloniki Airport
 * Mykonos Island National Airport → Mykonos Airport
 * Chania International Airport → Chania Airport
 * Corfu International Airport → Corfu Airport
 * Heraklion International Airport → Heraklion Airport
 * Kalamata International Airport → Kalamata Airport
 * Kavala International Airport → Kavala Airport
 * Cephalonia International Airport → Cephalonia Airport
 * Kos Island International Airport → Kos Airport
 * Lemnos International Airport → Lemnos Airport
 * Mytilene International Airport → Mytilene Airport
 * Paros National Airport → Paros Airport
 * Samos International Airport → Samos Airport
 * Zakynthos International Airport → Zakynthos Airport
 * Astypalaia Island National Airport → Astypalaia Airport
 * Chios Island National Airport → Chios Airport
 * Ikaria Island National Airport → Ikaria Airport
 * Ioannina National Airport → Ioannina Airport
 * Kalymnos Island National Airport → Kalymnos Airport
 * Karpathos Island National Airport → Karpathos Airport
 * Kastoria National Airport → Kastoria Airport
 * Kithira Island National Airport → Cythera Airport
 * Kozani National Airport → Kozani Airport
 * Milos Island National Airport → Milos Airport
 * Alexandroupolis International Airport → Alexandroupoli Airport
 * Naxos Island National Airport → Naxos Airport
 * Santorini (Thira) National Airport → Santorini Airport
 * Skiathos Island National Airport → Skiathos Airport
 * Agrinion Airport → Agrinio Airport
 * Larissa National Airport → Larissa Airport

As suggested by the makers of this template, I cite a Google news search for Thessaloniki airport, to show that this airport, for example, is usually referred to simply as Thessaloniki Airport instead of Thessaloniki International Airport. Google Ειδήσεις - αεροδρόμιο θεσσαλονίκης

Also, since Kithira has been moved to Cythera, the latter is the spelling I think should be used in the airport's name. Thakaran 01:34, 30 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Oppose Corfu Airport is ambiguous because once it loses the descriptor "International" it could be mistaken for any airport on the island of Corfu. In addition the descriptor "International" differentiates the Kapodistrias airport from the ones without the ability to accept international flights. All in all this is a very bad idea. Δρ.Κ. λόγοςπράξις 02:16, 30 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Are there any other airports on Corfu? Thakaran 02:30, 30 September 2012 (UTC)
 * I don't know but it doesn't matter because I gave a second reason: In addition the descriptor "International" differentiates the Kapodistrias airport from the ones without the ability to accept international flights. Δρ.Κ. λόγοςπράξις 02:38, 30 September 2012 (UTC)
 * We are talking about changing the article's name, the airport's full name will still be right under the title. According to Article titles, Wikipedia does not necessarily use the subject's "official" name as an article title; it prefers to use the name that is most frequently used to refer to the subject in English-language reliable sources. Plus, as I mentioned above titles should be precise enough to unambiguously define the topical scope of the article, but no more precise than that. Therefore, since there is no way Corfu Airport will make someone think the article is about a different airport, additional characterizations should not be used in the article's title. Thakaran 02:45, 30 September 2012 (UTC)
 * We are already going in circles. I repeat: There is a possibility that a second airport in Corfu may exist. But even if it doesn't, removing the descriptor "International" amounts to deprecating the title of the airport which will confuse readers regarding its functionality as a domestic or international airport. The title of the article should not be deprecated and reading the text of the article to check for more details is not a valid defence for changing the name of the article. Δρ.Κ. λόγοςπράξις 02:51, 30 September 2012 (UTC)
 * I am going to let someone else pick this up, I am out of ways to explain this and bored of typing in so many ":" Thakaran 02:55, 30 September 2012 (UTC)


 * Comment: Why is Athens International Airport not in that list? Either we apply it to all airports or none. --Philly boy92 (talk) 10:29, 30 September 2012 (UTC)
 * This template can be used for up to 30 airports at a time. Not all Greek airports could fit. Anyway, I chose to leave out the airport of Athens, Greece because Athens Airport is a disambiguation page, because there are 3 cities named Athens served by airports, making the article's title a whole different issue to be discussed.
 * Also, I left out Nea Anchialos, Araxos and Aktion airports since they are almost never refered to by the name of the city they serve. Thakaran 13:57, 30 September 2012 (UTC)


 * Oppose because the current titles provide disambiguity and to be consistent with other airport articles. Hill Crest&#39;s WikiLaser! (BOOM!) 15:19, 30 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Oppose - Current titles reflect correct naming of the airports, precise and "short". Removing "international" from the name would not be precise enough.--ZooFamily (talk) 00:14, 1 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Oppose - Many Cities have more than one airport - London has at least five plus others that are almost airports!!!!!!!!!!!!! The distinction is relevant and removing it it could be confusing and detract from Wikipedias usefulness.Petebutt (talk) 22:34, 1 October 2012 (UTC)
 * 'Support; simply because the new titles better fit WP:AT. Some of the opposes surprise me; why is it relevant that London has five airports? These are all relatively minor places in Greece with a single airport. Which brings me to ZooFamily's oppose vote; why would removing "international" lack precision if there are no other airports in these places competing for our attention? I cannot fathom what Dr.K. and Hillcrest98 thinks we need to disambiguate from. (The nearest thing to another "airport" on Corfu is a marina which was, in the past, used by a couple of seaplanes). Consistency with other articles is a very poor reason; it merely serves to spread poor naming practices more widely. Readers don't know wikipedia's internal naming habits when they try searching for something, and the longer names with "international" in them are much less plausible search terms. Won't somebody think of the readers? bobrayner (talk) 00:36, 6 October 2012 (UTC)
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Orphaned references in Thessaloniki International Airport
I check pages listed in Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of Thessaloniki International Airport's orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.

Reference named "schedule": From Nuremberg Airport: http://www.airberlin.com/de-DE/site/flugplan.php From Tolmachevo Airport:  

I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT ⚡ 10:50, 3 May 2013 (UTC)

Requested move 24 September 2015

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The result of the move request was: moved. Unopposed for over a week. Jenks24 (talk) 00:41, 2 October 2015 (UTC)

Thessaloniki International Airport → Thessaloniki Airport – The "International" part is not used by the airport's operator (see ypa.gr) or in most articles or mentions on the Internet. It is also the way most European airports on Wikipedia are titled, when there is only one airport serving that city; see Frankfurt Airport, Munich Airport, Zürich Airport etc. Thakaran (talk) 10:02, 24 September 2015 (UTC) Thakaran (talk) 10:02, 24 September 2015 (UTC)


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Requested move 26 September 2018
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The result of the move request was: moved. Uncontroversial request to revert an undiscussed move. (closed by non-admin page mover) feminist (talk) 19:14, 30 September 2018 (UTC)

Thessaloniki Airport "Makedonia" → Thessaloniki Airport – Primarily WP:COMMONNAME. Thessaloniki Airport is by far the most popular term (7.8 million hits), not to mention the official name of the airport as used by the operator, followed by Thessaloniki International Airport (4 million hits). Thessaloniki Airport Makedonia gives 365k results. I may be wrong but it was moved in January 2018 without discussion. Michail (blah) 18:03, 26 September 2018 (UTC)


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