Talk:Thiago Pereira/GA1

GA Review
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Reviewer: The Rambling Man (talk · contribs) 13:42, 30 August 2013 (UTC)

Comments Frankly, this needs quite a thorough copyedit before it's fit to be reviewed. I'll leave the review here, place the article on hold for a week, and hopefully see some real progress on not just the above, but the remainder of the article. The Rambling Man (talk) 10:49, 17 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Lead image caption could be more descriptive.
 * Avoid linking common geographical terms like London.
 * "World Record" does not need to be capitalised.
 * "During his career, he competed directle with swimming legends Michael Phelps"... has his career ended? If so you'll need to reword the lead, if not, this sentence starts badly.  Secondly, what is "competed directle"?  Thirdly, "swiming legends" is POV and not encyclopedic.
 * "in 2003. In 2004," a little dull prose.
 * "Pereira would break the" why "would break" and not just "broke"?
 * You link "Pan American Games" but to different things, this is very confusing.
 * [Clarification needed] maintenance tag needs to be resolved.
 * "Early years, clubs and personal life" section is a little untidy, lots of very short paragraphs. Also mixes personal life and early career, which isn't helpful.
 * "started becoming ranked" well he was only ranked the first time once. maybe "became ranked".
 * "among the top swimmers in Brazil and the world" I think "in the world" supersedes "in Brazil".
 * "analyzed hie options propositions" don't understand at all.
 * "2002–2004" etc, see WP:YEAR, so 2002–04.
 * Prose is quite dull, a lot of sentences starting with "In month year...." and a lot of short paras.
 * "that he felt bad" he felt ill?
 * "He... He... He..." repetitive prose.
 * "He left the pool gasping and unable to speak. He would come to vomit in the locker room, after the race." -> perhaps "He left the pool, gasping and unable speak, and subsequently vomited in the locker room."
 * "In the 200-metre individual medley, he swam close to his best time, but did not overcome it. However, the race pace was strong: Thiago would have to break his record by about 0.7 seconds to win the bronze medal." confused. Did he break his record or not?
 * "José Finkel Trophy," is this a notable competition? It doesn't seem to have a Wikipedia article (or at least, not one you've linked to).
 * "At the 2004 FINA World Swimming Championships (25 m) in " remove (25 m) and perhaps include "short course".
 * Again, this para then descends into lots of very short paragraphs, many starting "In month year" or "At the year tournament"....
 * "he lowered more than 2 seconds his South American record" he beat his record by more than two seconds.


 * Tucoxn is copyediting the article. Jose Finkel Trophy and Maria Lenk Trophy are the two major brazilian championships in swimming. About the other issues reported, I'll see what I can do (my English is not marvelous). In a swimmer article, it's complicated to put prose very different from the results because his career is based on it, is not like having a varied prose there. Rauzaruku (talk) 01:49, 18 September 2013 (UTC)
 * My comments:


 * I've improved the photo description;
 * Would you describe me what words "de-link"?
 * The world record was one of his most important achievements, it should be emphasized;
 * His career is not over, but the Phelps already. So it can be said that he "swam" against Phelps and not "swim" anymore. I don't know if it's worth mentioning Phelps and Lochte as any common swimmers, because it is known that they are (or will be considered, as you wish) legends of the sport (I'm not sending personal opinion, but stating a notorious fact)
 * "that he felt bad" he felt ill? - In Brazil we say "feeling bad" when you are with nausea, dizziness, pain in the body, that kind of thing. It's an expression. I don't know how to speak this in english.
 * "Thiago would have to break his record by about 0.7 seconds to win the bronze medal." confused. Did he break his record or not?  - I think it is obvious that he didn't broke the record, the text says this implicitly.
 * "At the 2004 FINA World Swimming Championships (25 m) in " remove (25 m) and perhaps include "short course". - Well, this is the name of the Wikipedia article, just transcribed.
 * The article has many paragraphs because each corresponds to a competition or record broken. I do not know how much good would fuse these paragraphs. Rauzaruku (talk) 02:26, 18 September 2013 (UTC)

Sorry, but it's clear from your responses above that this article is not going to be up to scratch quickly. It really needs a native English speaker to copyedit the whole thing, and to avoid the reptitive prose that currently exists. It's not currently good enough in my opinion to be a GA. Feel free to ask for others' opinions, but until I see a significant improvement in the prose, I would have to fail this nomination. The Rambling Man (talk) 06:28, 18 September 2013 (UTC)
 * As I said, the user Tucoxn is copyediting the article. Rauzaruku (talk) 09:43, 18 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I'm not really seeing that happen. I'll have to fail this nomination in a week if I don't see massive improvements.  The Rambling Man (talk) 16:41, 18 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Just a quick note, I'll be failing this tomorrow as it appears very little has been done to the article this week. Let me know otherwise.  The Rambling Man (talk) 16:09, 24 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Ok, I can not do anything anyway. However, I do not know what the big prose difference between this article and Michael Phelps, who is GA. Rauzaruku (talk) 17:02, 24 September 2013 (UTC)
 * I'm afraid that's because this article has not been adequately copyedited by a native English speaker. Try WP:GOCE?  The Rambling Man (talk) 17:04, 24 September 2013 (UTC)
 * I think it's because swimmers and athletes in general have no life, their career is based on obtaining results and this is what is relevant in their biography... At the information level, the article "Thiago Pereira" must be containing almost everything that exists and is relevant to the swimmer. I don't know exactly how I could improve the prose without putting irrelevancies, and I'm not a native speaker, so, I can't do more nothing here. A swimmer's article can't be very different from this one. ... What this article most needed, is grammatical correctness.Rauzaruku (talk) 17:09, 24 September 2013 (UTC)

Good luck next time. The Rambling Man (talk) 18:22, 24 September 2013 (UTC)
 * I doubt anyone here can promote a swimer article to GA or higher without being American, then, since the prose will never be much better than this, and don't have more information to add. I do not know if you noticed the obvious, that has nothing to improve... I thought GA was the fourth last level of an article and not the last. I need to put a video of the athlete being born live, on the page, to be FA, FL and A? Don't have more nothing to add here. That was good for me to know that it is a waste of time trying to promote anything GA then. Thanks! Rauzaruku (talk) 18:38, 24 September 2013 (UTC)
 * There's no substitute for a decent English language peer review. Sorry you feel so upset about the fact this article is far from ready, but that's just fact.  It's nowhere near good enough.  As I suggested, if you could get a native English speaker to make a genuine effort at copyediting it (rather than just tweaking one or two paragraphs) then you might consider GAN, but right now this is far from being ready for GAN.  Good luck.  The Rambling Man (talk) 19:07, 24 September 2013 (UTC)