Talk:ThinkPad/Archive 1

Dates not included
The dates of production for the laptops are not mentioned. Someone should research and provide this information for at least the purpose of credibility.

Sources on introductory paragraph
"IBM ThinkPads have a reputation for generally being solidly built, dependable, and innovative." There's no source listed for that line. Also, it reads like an advertiesment.

X60 Series
There is a X60 and X60S (for small). The X60 is the follower of the X30 Series. The X60s is follower of the X40 Series.

R40 based on the T30?
"Based on the T30 series, this line of notebooks includes the R40 and the R40e." How is this true? The R40 was Pentium M/Centrino, and completely different. The R32 was very similar to the T30, the R40 was not.

"Model specific information" - Parentheses
Where necessary, I corrected some mistakes, where parentheses "(" and ")" were attached to pieces of text. Where I left them as they were, were in places, such as
 * "(500, 510, 560(E, X, Z), 570(E))"

&mdash; where the E or other subtypes would directly follow the model number; while in
 * "(300, 310, 350, 360, 365, 380, 385, 390 (all with various sub-series))"

&mdash; text beginning with "(all..." had to be separated from "390", because from outside, parentheses must be separated with a space. -Mardus 08:40, 3 February 2006 (UTC)

Possible error
The description of the A series says that there are 3 bays, 2 of which are swappable. The A21e, at least, has a non-removable 3.5" disk drive, an internal hard disk, and a single Ultrabay 2000. I can't speak for the other A series models.

Not error, A21e is economy model, like contemporary R50e, these are reduced in features compared to regular A2x/A3x models and their *p* (performance) variants.


 * No, here is the real breakdown. The A series includes two different lines of machines: The A20/A21/A22 series have one chassis and the A30/A31 series a different one.


 * All A30/31 machines have two removable drive bays. Nearly all A20/21/22 machines have a permanently mounted 3.5" diskette drive and a single removable drive bay. A few A21e and A22e models omit the 3.5" diskette and have only a single removable drive bay. Other than that one exception, the e/m/p letter suffix has no bearing on the drive configuration for the A series machines.


 * I'll update the article when I get a few minutes... --Michael Geary 23:10, 15 July 2006 (UTC)

T60 and VMX
The text implies that the T60 is the first ThinkPad with the ability to run VMware. This is certainly not true, since I have run VMware on every ThinkPad I've owned since 1999. :-) I would correct the statement, but it also mentions Xen, which I am not familiar with. Can the T60 run Xen but older models cannot? --Michael Geary 23:12, 15 July 2006 (UTC)

TransNote
The text said "This series was mediocre in processing power and was very expensive; thus, it had nearly no sales, and in one month the series was discontinued."

The TransNote was announced in February 2001. I have two conflicting sources for its withdrawal date. The TransNote support page says it was withdrawn in August 2002. However, the August 2003 edition of tabook.pdf lists it as a current model, and the October 2003 edition of tawbook.pdf says it was withdrawn in October 2003. Either way, that is much longer than a month.

The other statements seem like pure opinion. The TransNote probably did not sell very well, but the entries for the other ThinkPad models don't speculate on how many units were sold. So, I removed the entire sentence. --Michael Geary 06:10, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

Picture of ThinkPads on ISS
We know that the ThinkPad computers have been popular with NASA for use on spaceflights. I just saw a from ISS containing 5 ThinkPads. Mabye it could go into the Trivia section, which mentions ISS. Too bad at least two of the computers in the picture are running Windows. But the one on the left… could it be GNOME or KDE? —Bromskloss 11:59, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

I love it! we need it immediately. thank you very much! (Wikimachine 19:31, 10 August 2006 (UTC))

I've added it now. —Bromskloss 17:06, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

Page move
ThinkPad was recently moved to IBM ThinkPad. Since Lenove now makes this line of laptops, I think the move should be reverted. This also applies to the Model M Keyboard. --Karnesky 11:59, 16 November 2006 (UTC)


 * I no nothing about the keyboard, but as for the ThinkPad, I agree. Oh, and by "revert", you mean simply moving it again, right? —Bromskloss 15:01, 16 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Yes--I think the page should just be moved back. --Karnesky 16:16, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

Isn't the brand called IBM ThinkPad, regardless of who the owner is? I'm afraid that if we let this go, the article might as well be called Lenovo ThinkPad. (Wikimachine 17:31, 16 November 2006 (UTC))


 * "ThinkPad" is, by itself, a registered trademark. IBM/Lenovo most often refer to it without a brand prefix.  I don't see your logic w.r.t. a name of "Lenovo ThinkPad." --Karnesky 18:02, 16 November 2006 (UTC)


 * There are advocates for "Lenovo ThinkPad" that I've found in my internet forum. So, with those in mind, I think that move to IBM ThinkPad gives more positive stance against any radical possibilities. (Wikimachine 01:31, 17 November 2006 (UTC))
 * Choosing the better of two bad solutions is not the right thing to do when a good solution exists. Your arguments are for why it shouldn't be "Lenovo ThinkPad."  Do you have any for why it shouldn't be merely "ThinkPad?" Certainly the presence of discussion would be discouragement against moving it to Lenovo ThinkPad.. Also, your evidence of "Lenovo ThinkPads" is further evidence of the importance of ThinkPads which don't have the IBM brand!
 * Other brands that DO belong to a monolithic entity aren't prefixed by the name of that entity. See Walkman, for instance.--Karnesky 06:38, 17 November 2006 (UTC)


 * I agree, the article should be "ThinkPad", not "IBM ThinkPad" or "Lenovo ThinkPad". After all, the article pertains to all ThinkPads, whether made by IBM or Lenovo. --Michael Geary 02:18, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

Ok. I was only suggesting, but if it doesn't meet the guidelines, I'm fine. (Wikimachine 02:29, 18 November 2006 (UTC))

Never turned a profit?
The article claims that the ThinkPad line never turned a profit for IBM.. I find this very hard to believe. IBM commanded high prices based on ThinkPad's perceived quality and support, which suggests high margins. They were also in the laptop game for over 10 years, which is a very long time to never turn a profit. IBM's Personal Systems Group, which included ThinkPad, did report a profit in several years, and it's hard to believe that sales of generally unpopular desktops propped up ThinkPad losses. I'm commenting out this claim for now. Rhobite 21:13, 20 March 2006 (UTC)


 * I wouldn't know if it's true or not, but it's very likely. IBM spent a lot of money in developing technologies used in the ThinkPads, plus, the high-quality tech support couldn't have been cheap. (Myscrnnm 16:57, 3 April 2007 (UTC))

The World's First Titanium Laptop
It was not Z60. (Wikimachine 18:07, 14 May 2006 (UTC)) Changing it back

It was not Z6x either. Stop making things up. (Wikimachine 04:11, 17 July 2006 (UTC))


 * Um, guys, the titanium iBook predated the Z60 by quite a while. Was there another titanium ThinkPad before that? I never heard of one, and I've seen various references to the Z60 being the first titanium ThinkPad. I removed the sentence until someone can come up with a model number. Michael Geary 04:23, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

Here is the site World's first titanium laptop. (Wikimachine 02:49, 18 July 2006 (UTC))


 * Bingo! TAWBOOK.PDF says that the A20p, introduced in May 2000, used "Titanium Composite in the cover for enhanced strength". --Michael Geary 03:24, 18 July 2006 (UTC)


 * Plus, the article also states that they had it back in the ThinkPad 600 in 1998. (Myscrnnm 16:59, 3 April 2007 (UTC))

Main Picture
This whole page is a joke "I personally this" "I personally that". The picture should reflect the current line up, not something that one person likes. R51 isn't even a Lenovo model it's from IBM. Loading the thinkpad page and seeing that image I'd expect the first line to say "ThinkPad was a brand of laptops that was discontinued 10 years ago." It should have a T400 or even X301 to show the new current models. You can't compare this to other companies like Apple because PowerBook changed to MacBook, so obviously PowerBook should show one of those, and then MacBook shows one of them. Change the picture it's not even a good image of that model.

The main picture for this article should be of a ThinkPad T series, since the T series is IBM/Lenovo's flagship series. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 68.227.190.55 (talk) 05:14, 3 January 2007 (UTC).

I like the current picture & it's a featured picture. An article needs only one picture, buddy. (Wikimachine 22:24, 6 February 2007 (UTC))

I agree, I think a T60 wide should be featured, why is there an old R model on there? The R series is entry level and that is an old unit. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 70.52.184.149 (talk • contribs).


 * I personally think that R52 was one of the best (and the R50 & R51) laptops ever introduced in the history of mankind because it's 1.5" thick but it looks so thin. But, I don't care a bit about whether or not T or R gets featured. The R52 picture is a featured picture. We're going to keep it. Simple as that. Thanks & have a nice day editing! (Wikimachine 23:17, 9 February 2007 (UTC))
 * Plus, (I didn't post the picture) it's really insulting to those who worked to get those pictures done when other people replace them & say that their pictures are simply better or that the current works are poorly done. (Wikimachine 23:21, 9 February 2007 (UTC))

I second the opinion that the picture should be the flagship T series, preferably T60. Thinkweird 00:37, 2 April 2007 (UTC)


 * I personally think that the current R-series picture is fine, but if it were to be replaced, the T4x would be a nice replacement, because it's an original IBM design.(Myscrnnm 17:04, 3 April 2007 (UTC))
 * Like I said, Thinkweird, have respect for the featured picture that this user created based on R52. Pics have always been focused on necessity and not based on "slight improvement"s. It's pretty unreasonable to sacrifice 3 megabyes of the server's space just to get the flagship pic of the ThinkPad... right? Plus, where's the guarantee that the picquality will be better? R52 pic is featured pic, and we're staying at that.
 * P.S. I personally think that the 6th generation ThinkPads look disgusting. The T60, X60, R60, Z60, etc. all lack the blue & red colors on the mouse buttons. The PCMIA slot eject button & the CD drive button lack the purplish blue color (now white)... The T60 widescreen has the "Lenovo" sign under the screen. All the new ThinkPad's look boxy & ugly & heavy & thick. Plus, they have really short battery life (compared to 6 hours for R40, 5 hours for T41, etc.) (Wikimachine 21:51, 9 April 2007 (UTC))

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