Talk:Third-party and independent candidates for the 2012 United States presidential election/Archive 2

Does not mention Objectivist Party candidate.
The Objectivist Party has nominated Tom Stevens as their candidate. The article should make note of that. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.72.114.169 (talk) 06:26, 20 April 2012 (UTC)

Any secondary sources for that? This is the only source I could find, and it seems to be cut-and-pasted directly from Stevens's own blog.--NextUSprez (talk) 20:25, 20 April 2012 (UTC)

Another source would the party's website. The Objectivist Party is very tiny, but it seems like it's just as notable as some of the other parties listed, even if they happen to have more sources. I think Tom Stevens' candidacy should be mentioned, even if he doesn't have an article. 173.48.69.93 (talk) 19:29, 21 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Sourcing is all that matters. If sourcing shows that he is notable enough to merit an article then he should be listed, otherwise, he should not.--William S. Saturn (talk) 19:55, 21 April 2012 (UTC)

Considering Mr. Stevens was a ballot-qualified candidate for president in 2008, I think that's more than enough to warrant an article. This very site also mentions that at the party's convention Stevens was nominated as the 2012 presidential candidate for the Objectivist Party. Also, this article lists the Objectivist Party as a qualified political party in Florida this election cycle, so he'll be on the ballot in at least one state: http://www.ballot-access.org/2012/01/12/florida-now-has-15-qualified-parties/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.72.114.149 (talk) 04:19, 22 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Last year, I was going to create an article about Stevens but the user User:TallNapoleon opposed it and I didn't care enough to make it an issue. If anyone wants to deal with this user and create an article, here's some sources that will help:


 * http://www.ballot-access.org/2008/12/19/libertarian-spin-offs-in-2008-presidential-election/
 * http://www.independentpoliticalreport.com/2010/11/personal-freedom-party-tell-your-children-fight-the-menace-kill-the-devil-save-the-country/
 * http://www.fec.gov/pubrec/fe2008/tables2008.pdf
 * http://www.fec.gov/pubrec/fe2008/2008presgecands.pdf
 * http://www.denverpost.com/headlines/ci_10415379
 * http://www.ballot-access.org/2008/08/23/objectivist-party-places-presidential-ticket-on-florida-ballot/
 * http://www.independentpoliticalreport.com/2010/11/dr-tom-stevens-announces-plans-to-form-personal-freedom-party-in-new-york/
 * http://www.independentpoliticalreport.com/2008/07/btp-defector-alden-link-on-colo-ballot-as-nominees-of-objectivist-party/
 * http://www.independentpoliticalreport.com/2008/06/boston-tea-party-about-to-implode/
 * http://www.independentpoliticalreport.com/2008/06/boston-tea-party-vice-chair-dr-tom-stevens-has-resigned/|
 * http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/09/20/politics/uwire/main4462339.shtml
 * http://www.objectivistparty.us/6443.html
 * Have at it.--William S. Saturn (talk) 05:41, 22 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the sources, WSS. I saw this and took the bold step of re-creating the article (which had been created years ago but changed to a redirect), and listing Stevens on this page. Seeing how the consensus in the WP Community has long - and it would seem increasingly more so - veered toward the notion that official presidential nominees of notable parties (even the obscure ones) and ballot-qualified candidates in pres. elections are notable, I would venture to say the article has a well better than 50% chance of surviving an afd should it be nominated for such.--JayJasper (talk) 23:18, 22 April 2012 (UTC)

New Constitution Party presidential candidates
The 2012 Constitution Party National Convention is in progress and these sources, say Darrell Castle and Don Grundmann have entered the race at the last-minute as candidates for the nomination.--Cjv110ma (talk) 21:02, 20 April 2012 (UTC)
 * I was about to add Castle to this page. Grundmann does not have an article and so is presumably non-notable.--William S. Saturn (talk) 21:04, 20 April 2012 (UTC)

Grundmann is mentioned on several pages,, so a redirect could be made for him. Would that count, or does he have an actual article of his own to be placed this article?--Cjv110ma (talk) 21:12, 20 April 2012 (UTC)
 * A redirect would not count since that is not an article, however, with all those mentions perhaps there's ample sources to create an article for him.--William S. Saturn (talk) 21:20, 20 April 2012 (UTC)

I didn't think that a redirect counted, but wasn't sure and figured no harm in asking. You might be right, though, about there being enough sources out there to make an article for him. I might just look into that when I have the time.--Cjv110ma (talk) 21:26, 20 April 2012 (UTC)

American's Elect Candidates Missing

 * Though I know there are quite a few candidates running for the AE nomination, and not all of them are truly prominent enough to consider listing here, but there are still a few that should be present. Michaleane Riley (Who is currently third among the declared), Merlin Miller who is also the nominee of the American Third Position Party, and Joe Schriner who is running as an Independent as well. --Ariostos (talk) 13:36, 8 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Michealene Risley has a stand-alone article, so she definitely qualifies to be on the list. If there are reliable sources for Miller and Schriner being declared candidates for the AE nom., I see no reason not to list them as such also.--JayJasper (talk) 17:25, 8 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Tried doing it for a short time but remembered that I remain horrid collecting references, not to mention placing them in proper format. Still practicing in that area. Putting them in without them though will meet prompt dismissal as well. --Ariostos (talk) 03:19, 10 May 2012 (UTC)

Source quality
Continued use of sources clearly and repeatedly rejected at WP:RS/N is not acceptable. You need to remove independentpoliticalreport sources, and the assertions cited against them. Fifelfoo (talk) 01:02, 4 July 2012 (UTC)
 * If by rejected, you mean by you alone. Your unwarranted (and laughable) tagging will promptly be reverted. The usage on this page as established at the noticeboard is acceptable.--William S. Saturn (talk) 01:04, 4 July 2012 (UTC)

Why isn't Stein marked as presumptive nominee?
Is there a particular reason why Jill Stein is not listed as the presumptive nominee of the Green party in this article, like she is on United States presidential election, 2012 (in the infobox, even!) and Template:United States presidential election, 2012 or is it a mere oversight?--NextUSprez (talk) 17:49, 29 June 2012 (UTC)
 * That's a very good question. There dosen't seem to be clear rationale for not designating her as the preumptive nominee, it's likely just an oversight.--Green4liberty (talk) 20:33, 11 July 2012 (UTC)
 * I've marked her as the presumptive nom.--Green4liberty (talk) 20:47, 11 July 2012 (UTC)

Boston Tea Party
The BTP has dissolved itself. Should the section on its candidates just be erased, or should it be moved to a cancelled campaign section or something? 108.49.30.17 (talk) 17:50, 24 July 2012 (UTC)
 * That's a good question. The BTP nominated a presidential ticket for 2012 (albiet never had ballot access), and that would be worth noting in this article, even if the party dissolved prior to the election. After all, we include candidates who withdrew prior to their party's nominating convention. Adding a "cancelled campaign" section or something of the like might be the best course of action and an appropriate section for the BTP as well as Americans Elect, which also fizzled out. What say you, fellow editors?--JayJasper (talk) 18:19, 24 July 2012 (UTC)
 * I agree.--William S. Saturn (talk) 19:33, 24 July 2012 (UTC)
 * I agree. Have a separate section for BTP and AE ("Aborted campaigns"? "Candidates of dissolved parties"?)--Rollins83 (talk) 20:47, 25 July 2012 (UTC)
 * I support having a separate column for the parties that folded before election time.--NextUSprez (talk) 15:37, 26 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Support. I believe the BTP's Presidential Candidate is now running for the House in Nevada anyhow. --Ariostos (talk) 22:00, 26 July 2012 (UTC)

Socialist Equalitity Party
The SEP does have ballot access in different states, need to be changed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.113.122.166 (talk) 15:10, 6 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Can you please provide reliable sources to verify this?--JayJasper (talk) 19:52, 6 September 2012 (UTC)


 * source: http://thirdpartypolitics.us/blog/tag/socialist-equality-party/ so there are at least Colorado, Wisconsin and Louisiana. --89.204.136.52 (talk) 22:20, 18 September 2012 (UTC)

Information recovered from United States presidential election, 2012
It was decided only to included the major third parties in this article and leave it for other articles to describe all the candidates. But this information can be very useful in doing so, especially the many many references. So this is "parked" here for interesed parties to use. Jack Bornholm (talk) 10:31, 2 October 2012 (UTC)

Third party candidates

 * Party for Socialism and Liberation
 * Peta Lindsay, anti-war activist from Pennsylvania; vice-presidential nominee: Yari Osorio
 * Candidate Ballot Access:  Arkansas, Colorado, Iowa, Louisiana, Minnesota, New Jersey, New York, Rhode Island, Utah, Vermont, Washington, Wisconsin - (117 Electoral)


 * States with Stand-In Candidates - Colorado, Iowa, Utah, Wisconsin (Gloria LaRiva)


 * America's Party


 * Tom Hoefling, National chairman of America's Party, from Iowa; vice-presidential nominee: J.D. Ellis from Tennessee
 * Candidate Ballot Access:  California, Colorado, Florida - (93 Electoral)


 * Write-In Candidate Access: Indiana, Texas


 * Peace and Freedom Party
 * Roseanne Barr, comedian from Hawaii; vice-presidential nominee: Cindy Sheehan from California.
 * Candidate Ballot Access: California, Colorado, Florida - (93 Electoral)


 * Socialist Party USA
 * Stewart Alexander from California; vice-presidential nominee: Alejandro Mendoza from Texas.
 * Candidate Ballot Access: Colorado, Florida, New York, Ohio - (85 Electoral)


 * Write-In Candidate Access: Indiana, Texas


 * Socialist Workers Party
 * James Harris, political activist, of New York. Vice-presidential nominee: Maura DeLuca of Nebraska
 * Candidate Ballot Access: Colorado, Iowa, Louisiana, Minnesota, New Jersey, Washington - (59 Electoral)


 * Write-In Candidate Access: New York


 * Objectivist Party
 * Tom Stevens, attorney and 2008 Objectivist Party presidential nominee, of New York; Vice-presidential nominee: Alden Link of New York
 * Candidate Ballot Access: Colorado, Florida - (38 Electoral)


 * American Third Position Party
 * Merlin Miller, Independent Filmmaker, of Tennessee; vice-presidential nominee: Virginia Abernethy of Tennessee
 * Candidate Ballot Access: Colorado, New Jersey, Tennessee - (34 Electoral)


 * Write-In Candidate Access: Maryland


 * Reform Party USA
 * Andre Barnett, entrepreneur, from New York; vice-presidential nominee: Ken Cross, former engineer, from Arkansas
 * Candidate Ballot Access: Florida - (29 Electoral)


 * Write-In Candidate Access: Texas


 * Socialist Equality Party
 * Jerry White, journalist and 1996 and 2008 Socialist Equality Party presidential nominee, of Michigan; vice-presidential nominee: Phyllis Scherrer, of Pennsylvania
 * Candidate Ballot Access: Colorado, Louisiana, Wisconsin - (28 Electoral)


 * Grassroots Party
 * Jim Carlson, businessman from Utah; vice-presidential nominee: George McMahon


 * Candidate Ballot Access: Minnesota - (10 Electoral)


 * Prohibition Party
 * Party Ballot Access: None


 * Jack Fellure, perennial candidate from West Virginia; vice-presidential nominee: Toby Davis of Mississippi
 * Candidate Ballot Access: Louisiana - (8 Electoral)


 * Independent American Party
 * Will Christensen, businessman from Minnesota; vice-presidential nominee: Kenneth Gibbs
 * Candidate Ballot Access: Oregon - (7 Electoral)

Independent candidates
The following independent candidates have gained access to at least one state ballot.
 * Richard Duncan, of Ohio; Vice-presidential nominee: Ricky Johnson
 * Candidate Ballot Access: Ohio - (18 Electoral)


 * Write-In Candidate Access: Alaska, Florida, Indiana, Maryland


 * Randall Terry, of West Virginia; Vice-presidential nominee: Missy Smith
 * Candidate Ballot Access: Kentucky, Nebraska, West Virginia - (18 Electoral)


 * Write-In Candidate Access: Colorado, Indiana


 * Sheila Tittle, of Texas; Vice-presidential nominee: Matthew Turner
 * Candidate Ballot Access: Colorado, Louisiana - (17 Electoral)


 * Jeff Boss, of New Jersey; Vice-presidential nominee: Bob Pasternak
 * Candidate Ballot Access: New Jersey - (14 Electoral)


 * Dean Morstad, of Minnesota; Vice-presidential nominee: Josh Franke-Hyland
 * Candidate Ballot Access: Minnesota - (10 Electoral)


 * Write-In Candidate Access: Utah


 * Jill Reed, of Wyoming; Vice-presidential nominee: Tom Cary
 * Candidate Ballot Access: Colorado - (9 Electoral)


 * Write-In Candidate Access: Indiana, Florida


 * Jerry Litzel, of Iowa; Vice-presidential nominee: Jim Litzel
 * Candidate Ballot Access: Iowa - (6 Electoral)

Stein not on presidential ballot in Nebraska
I live in Nebraska(Douglas County), and the only people on our ballot are Obama(D), Romney(R), Johnson(Libertarian), Randall A. Terry (By Petition), and the write in spaces. Stein should be listed as write-in for Nebraska. Dmartin969 (talk) 21:29, 12 October 2012 (UTC)
 * If you can find a reliable published source to confirm this, feel free to make the change.--NextUSprez (talk) 21:34, 12 October 2012 (UTC)

Updating the Ballot Maps

 * If anyone can help me update the ballots for the various candidates, it would be much appreciated. :p --Ariostos (talk) 20:42, 29 October 2012 (UTC)


 * Okay, now I realize there have been question regarding some of my edits, especially in the Independents section; I had gotten those from either Politics1.com, or from the Elections Division of the various states when they were available. Now, what I am going to try and do is message the campaigns directly, and request both facts and hard evidence regarding where they are going to be an actual candidate. I'm not sure how I will upload it here, but I'll try. --Ariostos (talk) 18:41, 30 October 2012 (UTC)


 * On that same note actually, can anyone else able to email their campaigns for information and hard evidence? My email is being a bit wonky. --Ariostos (talk) 19:12, 30 October 2012 (UTC)


 * following this link: http://www.wsws.org/articles/2012/nov2012/vote-n01.shtml one can see where write-in votes for the SEP are counted, it seems that for example michigan and new york have to be updated on the map. --89.204.139.202 (talk) 20:59, 1 November 2012 (UTC)

A Full Results Table

 * Thought it might be interesting that we included such somewhere here. With some of the parties I had to speculate regarding their colors, and the Socialist Parties were difficult given their color should in some capacity be red, while at the same time not providing too much of an overlap. I also looked into doing a box exclusively for the Third Party votes, with a breakdown regarding those; of course, I am not sure of how much use that would be. --Ariostos (talk) 03:06, 14 November 2012 (UTC)


 * Andre Barnett (Reform) is missing from this list.--Cjv110ma (talk) 23:02, 15 November 2012 (UTC)