Talk:Third Eye Blind/Archive 1

Methamphetamine
Perhaps some information can be added regarding the connection between 3eb and methamphetamine? I have always heard rumors but cannot isolate a specific incedent or lyric. DryGrain 05:44, 11 Apr 2004 (UTC)


 * That's what Semi-Charmed Life seems to be about - the second verse is:


 * "The sky was gold, it was rose, I was taking sips of it through my nose, and I wish I could get back there someplace, back there smiling in the pictures you would take, doing crystal meth will lift you up until you break, it won't stop, I won't come down and keep stock with the tick tock rhythm, I bump for the drop and then I bumped up, I took the hit that I was given then I bumped again, then I bumped again, and said..."


 * Adam Bishop 05:50, 11 Apr 2004 (UTC)

In the 1995 demo recording, the lyrics go: "i took the drugs that i was given." - vandy

How can we incorporate this into the article? I think it definitely warrants some mention. DryGrain 06:47, 11 Apr 2004 (UTC)

Absolutely. Stephan has confirmed many times that the song is about drugs and oral sex. Would need to find a specific quote to add to the article directly, however. The Rockline interview has some info on that. Also, note that it's not an autobiographical incident. - Nate


 * That's what sucks about them, they have great catchy songs but I don't want to sing them because they lyrics are so dirty. :( FatherGuidoSarducci 06:31, May 10, 2005 (UTC)

This article mentions no one in the band has used meth, but the Stephan Jenkins article says he has. Hmm...

The lyrics are the STRONG POINT of this group. Just like the The Doors and Pink Floyd where heavily drug influenced by LSD, TEB is obviously influenced by Meth. And someone was looking for the Meth conection in the songs. Well how about the line that goes "Doin Crystal Meth will bring you up until you break IT WONT STOP!" Anybody who has painfully experienced speed addiction will feel a closer bond to this band than people who luckily have not.
 * I'd like to point out that Syd Barrett was the only serious drug user of Pink Floyd, the rest of the band mostly smoked pot and drank. It was watching what happened to Syd that inspired Dark Side of the Moon, Wish You Were Here, and The Wall.   T e  k e  05:13, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
 * It is true that Syd Barret was a heavy user of LSD, and because of that fact his sanity was deeply marred and hence left the group in just mere years after the band had formed. Though, other songs were written / produced after Syd Barret had left eluding to the use of Heroin (Comfortably Numb) -- and it had been rumored that the remaining band members had had some experience with the drug.  So to say that the remaining members of Floyd just smoked pot and drank beer might be a little too benign.--Zx9dmwsd 16:25, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

Cleanup
The article needs some serious citations, formatting, and general cleanup. If you know what you're doing, go to town! T e k e  05:13, 20 June 2006 (UTC) Third eye blind is about overcoming those things in life, such as addictions, that blind you from your dreams. That is the concept of 3EB. This band doesn't condone crystal meth, nor are they influenced by. In fact, the song was inspired by the drug, not for its positive effects but negative affects. This band is influenced by LSD and other psychadelics like most artistic people who have "The View". Oh and the statement that the other members of Pink Floyd and the Doors never used psychadelic drugs is hilarious. Apparently you've never been experienced my friend. I tell you this, you know nothing of music or life at that matter. Of course, I wouldn't even expect you to know what a third eye is. Tune in, turn on, and drop out. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.188.94.117 (talk) 19:56, 25 September 2008 (UTC)

alternative?
what's so alternative about them? they seem extremely mainstream. Joeyramoney 21:55, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

Mo "meatball" Rizzo said, "3EB is to rock what Skittles are to food and diet Coke is to beverages. But sometimes their lyrics are deep, like when they are talking about being dumped by girls" — Preceding unsigned comment added by 97.122.237.20 (talk) 16:57, 20 July 2016 (UTC)

please say you're joking. >> Please say you are. They are the most mainstream you can be without being popular. Man that must suck.

Someone should add this quote to the page somewhere: "Our band has been, if not the most D.I.Y. next to Fugazi, then No. 2 or 3"

That is an opinion and doesn't belong in an encylopedia article without proper sources. KevinPuj 11:30, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

No, man, it's not an opinion. It's an actual quote from a Jim Derogatis interview with Stephen Jenkins. I think it should be included in the section where it says everyone hates him for his big mouth, because that is one of the most presumptuous and awful quotes I've ever read from a rock star. Here's the source: http://www.amazon.ca/gp/product/0306812711/701-0637377-1215513?v=glance&n=916520

If you've got a source, go for it and be bold. The previous post about the quote didn't make clear who said it and when. KevinPuj 13:38, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

Recent Edit
I recently edited the article to remove this sentence:


 * This band is the favorite of many famous people, including up and coming film producer "Meatball" Mike Bruno, and computer progammer Michael "Caps" Copelli.

I googled their names--nothing. So much for "famous people." Oh, but I did find another Wikipedia entry they vandalized. This piece used to be in the entry for "Trivia:"


 * The popular chain restuarant in Georgia, Buffalos often has trivia contests for money. The most dominant team in Buffalos history features a rotating group of core members. They are: The leader--Joe Gallois, Mike "We We We" Zidar, "Meatball" Mike Bruno, Perry McClendon, Steve and Jimi Cusick, Greg Pugh, CJ "Siege" Taylor, Jay Dover, and last but not certainly least, Michael "Caps" Copelli.

Jeez, think their egos are big enough? Jason the Delicious 18:21, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

I made a few stylistic and grammatical corrections. Almightypical 22:50, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

Trivia vs. History
First, the story of how they got their big break is told twice. Second, the two versions conflict. Which is true? KevinPuj 21:53, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

Jason Slater
Shouldn't there be a mention of founding member Jason Slater (now of Snake River Conspiracy)?

Arclight2012 19:24, 8 December 2006 (UTC)arclight2012

Discography
If you're going to copy the text over from the discography page, request a deletion of that page so that we don't have it in two places (which will likely lead to one becoming outdated). - Dudesleeper 02:41, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

Diction
"like the path of true love"!? this article needs some serious diction cleanup. it sucks right now. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.198.201.165 (talk) 06:03, 8 January 2007 (UTC).
 * Ooh, "sucks"! I put your name forward for the job! - Dudesleeper 13:13, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

Liam to tears
Someone wanna explain this: "As it turned out, however, they were invited out for an encore, even after Oasis had already played, bringing Liam Gallagher to tears..."

Why would Liam Gallagher cry at this point? 67.185.99.246 22:52, 7 February 2007 (UTC)


 * Maybe his ego was touched that 3EB was invited for an encore and they were not.  Fleurbutterfly 17:20, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

Template in trivia section
may find the toomuchtrivia template "laughable" (as he wrote in his edit summary when he removed it), but it's related to the Avoid trivia sections in articles guideline. Information in trivia sections of articles should be merged into other sections or removed completely. Extraordinary Machine 23:24, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
 * How about you do it then? - Dudesleeper · Talk 23:26, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Because I don't care about this band. Extraordinary Machine 23:32, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Ah yes, I don't look at articles about bands I don't care about either. - Dudesleeper · Talk 23:34, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
 * I was reading this article because the lead singer of this band produced Vanessa Carlton's second and third albums. I won't bother integrating the trivia section into the article because I don't care about the band, but that doesn't mean I won't tag it with the template, as I do with any other trivia section I come across. Extraordinary Machine 14:42, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

Funyuns
IP addy 76.18.18.241 keeps adding this rumor about throwing Funyuns. Is there a Wiki Policy that keeps absurd rumors from being posted, or is this OK information? Fenix 04:41, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
 * I'd request the article's protection from anonymous edits if it became out of hand. As it is, the editor in question is just vandalising the article once a day, which isn't enough. He seems to think it will get past us at some point. - Dudesleeper · Talk 19:45, 13 May 2007 (UTC)

Trivia
The trivia template was placed over the whole article, meaning the whole article had to be intergrated into itself. I moved it to the actual trivia section so it i more specific than saying everything is trivial. Acidskater 03:31, 24 June 2007 (UTC)


 * The trivia template was recently altered from this, so the tag was correctly placed at the time. I'm sure there are more than a few articles that need corrected accordingly. - Dudesleeper · Talk 10:34, 24 June 2007 (UTC)

The Hideous Strength
I don't see the issue of putting 2008 on the album. Anyone who has been to a concert over the past year has witnessed Jenkins saying something similar to "We are desperately trying to get this album to you early next [2008] year" - Jenkins @ SUNY Genesseo November 2007. -- zrulli 19:17, 1 February 2008 (UTC)


 * I've changed the release date on the headline to say "Unknown". I'm going to change my stance and say any other way is pure speculation until the release date is announced. zrulli  21:01, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

I saw Jenkins speak today at Penn State and he said that the new album would be called Ursa Major and that it would come out fall of this year.Kriskash (talk) 04:53, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

All Lyrics Complete
I think the line about all lyrics being complete should be removed. I was at a concert a month before and heard the same announcment. There is no evidince of the first time that was said. There is a chance that it has been announced at every concert this year. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.109.66.33 (talk) 03:01, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I agree and have also heard the same announcement a couple of times. I think the last section about Ursa Major needs some cleanup...it seems to ramble at the end, listing event or occurence from 2008, and then ends up going back to tours from 2007. Any thoughts? If I find the time this may just be my first edit here. cheers, 10draftsdeep (talk) 17:30, 7 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I finally removed it since the new album is obviously well on it's way to completion and that "lyrics complete" line was from a concert way back in April. Seems outdated at this point to reference it...besides, that same announcement was made at many other shows...no need to list that single event. cheers,10draftsdeep (talk) 15:03, 14 November 2008 (UTC)

Discography question
Did everything after How's It Going to Be really come out when it was listed? I remember hearing HIGTB in late 1997, then Jumper in 1998, and Never Let You Go in Fall of 1999. Just thought I'd ask.--ChrisRJ (talk) 05:46, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

Reorginization
I added a template to the Ursa Major album section. This is all over the place! It is not in chronological order and needs some major re-organization.

Blind Faith
Sometimes faith is all you can have as a 3EB fan when it comes to expecting new material. All jokes aside, should Blind Faith be listed at all under discography? Although the show(s) were recorded, nothing has been released or even confirmed. cheers, 10draftsdeep (talk) 19:23, 9 March 2009 (UTC)

Improvements
I just eliminated some of the older out dated information at the end of the article. 10draftsdeep (talk) 17:39, 2 February 2010 (UTC)

Another lawsuit?
There appears to be no evidence to support the statement that Fredianelli has filed a lawsuit over money and/or credit on "Ursa Minor." There is no record of such a lawsuit in the records of the San Francisco Superior Court or the U.S. District Court for the Northern District of California (the two most likely places where such an action would be filed). I am therefore removing the reference.
 * I'm pretty sure some pretty reliable resources have confirmed this, I don't think you should get rid of this quite yet. Are there any other explanations out there. Like maybe the lawsuit wasn't necessarily filed in that district? (And any particular reason you unsigned your comment?) Sergecross73   msg me   18:51, 3 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Why leave in unsupported information solely because you're "pretty sure" that some unknown "pretty reliable" sources support the statement? Why not leave it out until you or someone else can actually cite one or more sources (at which point, we can all judge whether or not those sources are, in fact, "pretty reliable").  It's certainly possible that the lawsuit might be filed somewhere other than San Francisco.  However, since that's where Jenkins lives and the band is based, those would be the most likely places (with the state court being more likely since there probably is no basis for jurisdiction in federal court).  Fredianelli is a resident of San Diego, but California's venue rule would require that suit be filed where the defendant, not the plaintiff, lives.  Absent some ability to verify the existence of the lawsuit, it appears to be nothing more than speculation.  As for me "unsigning" my post, it is a result of my relative unfamiliarity with how all this works.  I guess I do it this way.Zddoodah (talk) 22:48, 3 May 2010 (UTC)
 * I say leave it in because it's generally accepted that it's happening. I haven't seen anyone dispute it except you. I'll find some sources. And because it could be filed elsewhere besides SF, then the fact you can't find it doesn't mean anything. Sergecross73   msg me   02:16, 4 May 2010 (UTC)
 * 2 sources added. Sergecross73   msg me   02:21, 4 May 2010 (UTC)


 * I don't know what "generally accepted that it's happening" means. "Generally accepted" by whom?  Ultimately, of course, this isn't a theory like relativity or evolution; it's a fact that either is or isn't true, so what is or isn't "generally accepted" by some unknown persons is completely meaningless.  The two articles appear, in fact, to be exactly the same article, the bulk of which is a quote from a letter written by Fredianelli at a fan web site.  However, the letter does not mention a lawsuit (other than the one filed by the band members against their former manager, which was real -- SF Superior Court Case No. 08-476453) or even the possibility of a lawsuit.  The only thing in the letter that comes even remotely close is a statement that Fredianelli "likely need to hire a lawyer to subpoena financial records."  Note that this statement is phrased in the future tense, not the past tense (e.g., "I have hired a lawyer").  While the article makes the statement that Fredianelli "is suing the band," there is no support in Fredianelli's letter for that statement.  That the lawsuit cannot be found in the docket of the only two courts where such a lawsuit realistically could be filed pursuant to applicable jurisdictional and venue rules most certainly DOES mean something.  As far as I knew, Wikipedia's reliability standards required something more than rank speculation by fans and unsupported comments in articles written by unidentified persons at web sites of questionable reliability.Zddoodah (talk) 15:41, 4 May 2010 (UTC)
 * As I already said, when I said "generally accepted", I meant as in, I hadn't seen anyone contest it until now. It's been all across the fansites, which I know is not acceptable on wikipedia, but I've also seen it across a number of websites, and picked up on reliable websites that carry other sites stories. I know it's acceptable to have a quote from a first party (Tony) through a 3rd party (the websites). You do make a good point about the fact that it does sound more like he's "going to" file it more than he "already has", so I am okay with the addition you made about it not being on the district databases and whatnot. (After I reworded how you reworded what I said >_>)  Sergecross73   msg me   16:07, 4 May 2010 (UTC)
 * I think we've got this about covered. However, the statement that Fredianelli's letter says that he "is suing the band" is not correct.  The cited articles are mostly Fredianelli's letter.  However, the first paragraph appears to have been written by whomever authored the articles (I don't see any attribution to this person).  This is more evident from the killyourstereo.com article, where the text of Fredianelli's letter is in italics, whereas the first paragraph is in normal type.  Therefore, it is not accurate to say that Fredianelli's letter says that he is suing the band.  Rather, it is the article that reaches that conclusion and then cites the letter.  I'm going to alter the article here accordingly.Zddoodah (talk) 17:45, 5 May 2010 (UTC)
 * I can live with that, although I may alter the "2 websites" part. More than 2 websites reported on it, I just kept it to two because, there's really no point in referencing multiple websites that all say a similar thing. I would have only used one, but I didn't want anyone to accuse it of being a fluke or something. Sergecross73   msg me   17:54, 5 May 2010 (UTC)

Members
It seems like most bands who have had multiple line-up changes over the years have a members section with the dates they were active with the band. That's something I'll probably be working on soon over time.... Sergecross73  msg me   18:45, 4 August 2010 (UTC)
 * great idea! 10draftsdeep (talk) 13:20, 10 August 2010 (UTC)

Alright, I'll start it here because, the more I think about it, the more I think people will start to argue about specific dates, statuses, and how official things are (vs. merely knowing from fansites and whatnot.)


 * Official Members
 * Stephen Jenkins - (1993-Present)
 * Brad Hargreaves - (1997-Present)
 * Arion Salazar - (1997-2006)
 * Kevin Cadogan - (1997-1999)
 * Tony Fredianelli - (1993-1996), (2000-2009)


 * Touring Members

I just added a bunch more to the timeline using the most accurate information I could find. Feel free to add more to it if you know more than I do. Woknam66 (talk) 00:09, 25 January 2011 (UTC)


 * I just didn't really look that closely at it until now, and while we can discuss it all day long, the way it was isn't going to work. 1) The chart made it look like Abe Millet played bass on Ursa Major, which all you have to do is look at the article or albun case to see that's not true. 2)It doesn't makes sense to put "session bassist" under a section titled "members". He was not a member. 3) The dates for Jon Evans were entirely arbitrary/made up. 4)Above all else, rather than complaining, do something about it. Read WP:BURDEN. If info is removed, it's the person who wants to restore it, to provide proof. Find some sources that contradict what I'm saying and I won't remove it.


 * Also, it's not like I tore up your chart. I took off one person, and adjusted a date or two. Your work is still essentially there. Sergecross73   msg me   01:39, 24 February 2011 (UTC)


 * Regardless of all that, the point is that you had every opportunity to discuss it, but you didn't. You just arbitrarily removed it. And if your problem really is just that the section is called "Band Members", then it would make a hell-of-a-lot more more sense to just change the name to "Players" or "Performers" than to completely remove someone. Woknam66 (talk) 02:09, 24 February 2011 (UTC)


 * How many band articles on wikipedia do you see with "Players" as a section heading? Little to none. That's not how articles are labeled. I'm not sure why you feel it so important to include a session people in it to begin with, especially since, as I said, the dates given were not real or verifiable. It's not that uncommon for a band to lose a member, and then not have an official replacement, and just use session-players that go unmentioned in official band stuff. Like Disturbed or Feeder. It's okay to have a year or two as "blank" for a position in the band... Sergecross73   msg me   16:28, 24 February 2011 (UTC)


 * My problem is that right now, it looks like nobody played bass guitar on Ursa Major, but that is simply not the case. Also, I know for sure that 3eb was touring in the months leading up to the release of Ursa Major, so there must have been someone playing bass guitar during that time, I'd be more than fine if we just added whoever that was to the timeline. Also, while yes, most of the dates are based mostly on speculation, I have a feeling that more of the exact dates for timelines on wikipedia are based on guesses. Woknam66 (talk) 18:38, 24 February 2011 (UTC)
 * No, the timeline shows that no band member played bass on Ursa Major, which is entirely true. Leo Kramer was the touring bassist before UM, Abe Millet was touring bassist post-UM, and Jon Evans, a sessions/studio musician, never a band member, played bass on the album. Sergecross73   msg me   03:16, 28 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Also, "other articles speculate, so it's okay to do it here" is not a valid argument. It just means means those charts should be fixed or removed themselves... Sergecross73   msg me   03:27, 28 February 2011 (UTC)

Arion Salazar played bass on Ursa Major. The only tracks that the band kept belonging to Arion were on the song "Bonfire". (per Stephan Jenkins) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Norrismantooth (talk • contribs) 04:09, 27 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Yes, he did play bass on one song, Bonfire, but it wouldn't be accurate to list him as a member through the Ursa Major era, he left the band years before UM came out, it's just that Bonfire had also been recorded many years before UM came out... Sergecross73   msg me   13:35, 27 January 2012 (UTC)

Labels and genres?
Correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't they currently under Mega Collider, which they created? And if it's true that they are under their own label, that would make them indie rock band? So shouldn't indie rock be in their genre?Wikiguy09 (talk) 22:44, 16 August 2010 (UTC)
 * I wouldn't think so, because Mega Collider is an offshoot of a Sony/Red label. Not to mention, they have a very corporate, high production style that's usually not associated with Indie music. If you've got reliable sources, I suppose it's possible, but I personally haven't seen many people refer to a band that went 6x platinum in the 90's as "indie"... Sergecross73   msg me   13:26, 17 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Lol, very true. Just wondering, because bands can change genres I guess.Wikiguy09 (talk) 23:24, 17 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Me again. Found an article where a band memeber states that they are an indie band that enjoys "complete musical freedom" http://toledoblade.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20100423/ART10/100429865
 * Just something to think about. Perhaps it should be stated that they became an indie band in their later years?Wikiguy09 (talk) 02:13, 18 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Jenkins says a lot of things. However, wikipedia policy is that you take genre from third party reliable sources, not the band itself. At times that may seem weird, but others, it makes sense. For example, when a genre gets a bad reputation, no band says they are part of it. If it were up to the bands, there'd be little to no emo or nu-metal bands because the genre got overused and no one wanted to be associated to it, when in reality, bands in those genre are plentiful.
 * In this case, the band is doing the opposite, and just trying to be "cool" again. Again, if you find a third party who calls them that, I guess you could add it. I'd be against it personally, but I guess you'd have the right to do it... Sergecross73   msg me   13:13, 18 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Yeah that makes sense. I personally enjoy a number of indie bands, but I don't understand why a successful band would want to be labeled "indie". What's wrong with success? I guess indie is just a popular genre for people for are against the mainstream music of today. Mainstream music is getting a bad reputation, I could see why they would want to stray from a mainstream label though. They are what they are, and that's a rock band. I'm going to drop this case now, because after much thought it doesn't seem to make sense to call them indie now.Wikiguy09 (talk) 21:25, 18 August 2010 (UTC)

blatently NOT 'Alternative' rock
Whoever describes Third Eye Blind as ALTERNATIVE is clearly not up to speed with music or English. Examples of 'Alternative Rock' would be The Flaming Lips, The Pixies and so on. Third Eye Blind are the POLAR OPPOSITE. Thank you. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.151.247.224 (talk) 17:04, 29 December 2010 (UTC)
 * No need for insults. If there's a wikipedia reliable source that says they are, it should stay, if there isn't, then it should go. Simple as that. Sergecross73   msg me   17:13, 29 December 2010 (UTC)

Timeline is missing some labels.
It appears the timeline of members is missing some labels. The black bars that intersect it vertically must pertain to something? I assume they are album releases but I'm not sure. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:8:A000:117:FD92:BE6D:5078:C544 (talk) 05:16, 27 January 2014 (UTC)

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