Talk:Third circle of hell

Requested move 17 December 2021

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The result of the move request was: not moved. (closed by non-admin page mover) Extraordinary Writ (talk) 06:36, 24 December 2021 (UTC)

– The individual circles are all proper nouns, which are capitalized this way in most reliable sources that review Dante's work. I think that WP:COMMONNAME would compel us to capitalize two additional letters in each of these titles compared to their current place. — Mhawk10 (talk) 03:32, 17 December 2021 (UTC)
 * First circle of hell → First Circle of Hell
 * Second circle of hell → Second Circle of Hell
 * Third circle of hell → Third Circle of Hell

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
 * Oppose—In writing these articles I haven't found this to be true, in that sources tend not to treat them as proper nouns. "Hell" is a mixed bag in that some do capitalise it and some don't, but the "circle" part tends not to be capitalised. Would be entirely neutral on a move to a capital H however as that seems to go either way (although, that being the case, stylevar likely applies). ᵹʀᴀᴘᴘʟᴇ ꭗ 04:46, 17 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Oppose, generally per ᵹʀᴀᴘᴘʟᴇ. This is a descriptive title, not the name of a proper noun. BD2412  T 00:00, 18 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Oppose: From WP:AT, WP:NCCAPS and MOS:CAPS refer. Per MOS:CAPS: only words and phrases that are consistently capitalized in a substantial majority of independent, reliable sources are capitalized in Wikipedia. Looking at ngram evidence: first circle of hellsecond circle of hellthird circle of hell and a google scholar search, we are seeing mixed usage in sources for the uncapped form, the title case form and capitalising "hell".  This is particularly so, if we consider the more recent usage.  Actual evidence does not bear out the assertion by the OP.  Either capitalised forms fall well short of the threshold in the guidance by which we would cap them. Regards, Cinderella157 (talk) 00:20, 18 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Oppose as proposed, however, I might support "Hell" which is a proper name in the Christian context.  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  02:10, 21 December 2021 (UTC)