Talk:Thirteen (Megadeth album)

Genre
Judging from what I have seen on other articles I feel that the genre as listed may cause an issue (persistent IP editors changing them back and forth). Therefore, I would like to address that matter first and foremost. I have listed heavy and thrash metal as a starting point for this album, as that is a logical starting point. Any other additions MUST include a source and/or discussion, and any genre removed w/o discussion will be considered as vandalism and reverted. --L1A1 FAL (talk) 19:33, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

Title
It is called TH1RT3EN, not 13. It has been revealed on the official site, megadeth.com — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.197.75.152 (talk) 08:38, 9 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Relax, it'll get moved. It was revealed yesterday as '13' on some of the metal news sites.--L1A1 FAL (talk) 16:25, 9 July 2011 (UTC)

Title
Is there any reason why this page should not be moved to TH1RT3EN? It is the standard title per the WP:NC. —Kusma (t·c) 17:31, 10 August 2011 (UTC)


 * There's another album by the title Th1rt3en, though only a redirect exists. I was actually about to further disambiguate this to 'TH1RT3EN (Megadeth album)', but I suppose that may not be entirely necessary. Currently, 'Th1rt3en' is a disambiguation page, and that could be easily confused with 'TH1RT3EN' which goes here.--L1A1 FAL (talk) 17:45, 10 August 2011 (UTC)


 * on a side note, I really wish you would have waited for my explanation here before simply undoing my G6 on 'TH1RT3EN (Megadeth album)'--L1A1 FAL (talk) 18:02, 10 August 2011 (UTC)
 * I just deleted and moved as you requested anyway. I think TH1RT3EN and Th1rt3en should either (a) redirect to the same page or (b) be the main article pages, with hatnotes for the other album, but since we don't have a page for the Robert Miles album yet, it doesn't ultimately matter much. —Kusma (t·c) 18:40, 10 August 2011 (UTC)

Actually, the article should be moved to Thirteen (Megadeth album). The use of numbers within the word thirteen is only for styling and decoration purposes, and not for correct pronunciation of the album title. According to MOS:TM: "Avoid using special characters that are not pronounced, are included purely for decoration, or simply substitute for English words." Two of the examples given at MOS:TM include the movies Se7en and Alien3 which similarly use numbers as decoration. Fezmar9 (talk) 19:40, 10 August 2011 (UTC)


 * Checked the policy link. I can't really argue against that (not to say I like it though) since its a pretty straight-forward explanation. Still, I'm hoping Dave Mustaine changes the album title to something more befitting of a heavy metal album.
 * If you want to move the album there, I will not support it but I will not oppose it either, so it's your call Fezmar.--L1A1 FAL (talk) 20:43, 10 August 2011 (UTC)


 * ✅ I believe this article should be consistent with the given guidelines. I have moved the article title, and replaced all occurrences of TH1RT3EN with Thirteen everywhere (in this article) except the lead and the titles of the references. Fezmar9 (talk) 19:42, 12 August 2011 (UTC)


 * Fezmar, I noticed you changed the spelling all through the text of the article as well, but I did change one of them back for the sole purpose on noting the particular spelling that is being reported:
 * "It was clarified a day later on the band's website to be "Th1rt3en" rather than 13."
 * When I put that line in there originally, it was to denote the peculiar spelling, and I believe it should stay that way in that instance. Other than that, I didn't change any of the spelling back. I also re-did most, if not all, of the links in other articles to this page to reflect the spelling change, so its not going through who knows how many redirects.--L1A1 FAL (talk) 05:35, 13 August 2011 (UTC)

Release date
This is the first time Metallica and Megadeth have new albums coming out on the same day. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.73.234.71 (talk) 06:31, 6 September 2011 (UTC)
 * What's your point?  Alphathon  /'æl.f'æ.θɒn/ ( talk ) 16:30, 6 September 2011 (UTC)


 * what's yours? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.73.234.71 (talk) 22:33, 8 September 2011 (UTC)


 * I haven't made one, I'm asking you why you brought it up. Why is it significant? Unless there's some reason to think that the same release date was intentional, I don't see that it matters (at least not as far as the page is concerned).  Alphathon  /'æɫfə.θɒn/ ( talk ) 20:53, 14 September 2011 (UTC)


 * I doubt it was intentional but as there has clearly been a competition going on between the 2 bands (even though it seems that only Megadeth fans constantly compare them to Metallica and not the other way around), there are people (and obviously you are not one of them) that are curious to see how they chart comparitively. I think it might actually help Megadeth sales because people that are going to the store to buy the Metallica CD might wind up picking up both since they are there.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.73.234.71 (talk) 07:05, 16 September 2011 (UTC)


 * Fair enough, but it still doesn't belong in the article. If after release some analyst or something comments on the dates having effected sales of either, then that might be noteworthy. If that wasn't your intention (to discuss putting it in the article) and you might want to read WP:NOTAFORUM.  Alphathon  /'æɫfə.θɒn/ ( talk ) 13:29, 16 September 2011 (UTC)

New Version of Sudden Death
Wasn't Sudden Death re-recorded for this album? Hailstorm273 (talk) 21:33, 25 October 2011 (UTC)


 * I think the same guitar, vocal, bass and drum tracks were used, but Johnny K just re-mixed them for the album version--L1A1 FAL (talk) 23:19, 25 October 2011 (UTC)


 * If you read Ellefson's commentary on the song here it appears as if it was re-recorded. RJD324 (talk) 02:44, 3 November 2011 (UTC)


 * That doesn't say anything about re-recording. It appears as if he is talking about recording the track for Guitar Hero in 2010, as he did perform on the GH version of "Sudden Death" (if in fact they are different versions/recordings)--L1A1 FAL (talk) 01:36, 15 November 2011 (UTC)

Sorry I haven't responded in a while. I started this subject before the album was released, but I have my copy of the album now. The version of Sudden Death on the album has quite a few differences than the version that was released as a single, especially the vocal tracks. There was a lyric change, and a few note changes. The guitar track had a new solo, just before "Stopping at nothing". I now think that this song was re-recorded, after listening to both versions. Hailstorm273 (talk) 05:52, 14 November 2011 (UTC)


 * Reverted unsourced assertion. Unless it is explicitly mentioned that the song was re-recorded, re-mixed, re-written, re-coagulated, re-assembled or whatever then it doesn't belong here. As I have stated, it is my personal belief that it was remixed, but I don't have the reliable sources to back it up, so I did not place my speculation into the article. Neither should you.--L1A1 FAL (talk) 13:49, 14 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Okay, I know about WP:OR and I'm sorry I put it in. I still think the song was re-recorded, but I won't add it again. Hailstorm273 (talk) 19:17, 14 November 2011 (UTC)
 * If you can find a reliable source for it being either re-recorded or remixed, then by all means please do feel free to put it here. Just make sure it is mentioned in a reliable source. Interviews with band members are always a good place to check, for example.--L1A1 FAL (talk) 01:31, 15 November 2011 (UTC)

Location Recorded
My copy of the album's liner notes states that it was recorded at Mustaine Music Studios (another name for the Vic's Garage mentioned in the article, and in Endgame). What to do? Change the location recorded from Vic's Garage to Mustaine Music Studios, or leave it? EonMinator (talk) 16:24, 29 November 2011 (UTC)


 * Why can't it be both, i.e. Vic's Garage (credited as Mustaine Music Studios) or something to that effect. If both aren't used, then whatever the "proper" name is should be used (I don't know which that is).  Alphathon  /'æɫfə.θɒn/ ( talk ) 16:36, 29 November 2011 (UTC)

Th1rt3en
I'm not saying how it currently is is wrong, but Th1rt3en is the popular and intended spelling of the album, not Thirteen, and in a way, more accurate (i-Tunes and Amazon also have it spelled this way). Proposing a move.-- F-22 Raptör Aces High ♠ 23:26, 10 December 2011 (UTC)


 * Oppose: This has been discussed above, and the result was to move it from "Th1rt3en (album)" to "Thirteen (Megadeth album)" per some Manual of Style policy (MOS:TM) regarding the use of numbers as letters in titles. There are already various redirects from "Th1rt3en" and variants thereof anyway--L1A1 FAL (talk) 03:39, 11 December 2011 (UTC)

Track Listing
Overall, great article. One quick question, however, why is the track listing set up like it was released as a two disc vinyl LP? Specifically, there's Side One, Side Two, etc.,... The more common format is the CD, where all songs are simply listed sequentially with no "sides", similar to the External Link at Discogs. Please consider changing this. Thank you in advance. Cheers! FiggazWithAttitude (talk) 20:24, 11 April 2019 (UTC)


 * ✅ Agreed. It's now fixed. --Pajo Pajimir 12:13, 25 May 2019 (UTC)