Talk:Thomas, 2nd Earl of Lancaster

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Burkes peerage (http://www.burkes-peerage.net/sites/common/sitepages/roking04.asp) recommends 1278 as birthdate for Thomas

Requested move

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The result of the move request was: moved Peter Karlsen (talk) 01:55, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

Thomas Plantagenet, 2nd Earl of Lancaster → Thomas, 2nd Earl of Lancaster — The use of Plantagenet as a surname for the English royal family prior to Richard, Duke of York, is anachronistic and not followed by modern historians. Agricolae (talk) 16:14, 24 October 2010 (UTC)


 * Isabel Plantagenet → Isabel of Cambridge, Countess of Essex
 * Elizabeth Plantagenet, Duchess of Exeter → Elizabeth of Lancaster, Duchess of Exeter
 * Henry Plantagenet, 3rd Earl of Lancaster → Henry, 3rd Earl of Lancaster
 * Margaret Plantagenet, Countess of Pembroke → Margaret, Countess of Pembroke
 * Edmund Plantagenet, 2nd Earl of Kent → Edmund, 2nd Earl of Kent
 * Humphrey Plantagenet, 2nd Earl of Buckingham → Humphrey, 2nd Earl of Buckingham
 * Alice Plantagenet, 4th Countess of Lincoln → Alice de Lacy, 4th Countess of Lincoln

This page was originally titled correctly as Thomas, 2nd Earl of Lancaster. In 2006, it was renamed with no discussion to Thomas Plantagenet, 2nd Earl of Lancaster (and then brother Henry was changed in 2009, just to match Thomas). This form is sometimes used by genealogical hobbyists, but generally is not by modern scholars, nor can it be considered 'common usage' such that it overrides other conventions. The use of the name Plantagenet is anachronistic, as it was not a surname prior to the claims of Richard, Duke of York to the throne in the mid-15th century. Most historians avoid this usage like the plague, and so should we, on this page and on every other page for a member of the family not descended from the Duke of York. Agricolae (talk) 16:16, 24 October 2010 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

I want to note post facto that I agree with Agricolae that these moves were in order. john k (talk) 01:57, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

Picture
The picture is captioned as Thomas of Lancaster with Saint George, but the picture's page says it is Edmund Crouchback with Saint George. --Tysto (talk) 15:10, 10 January 2012 (UTC)
 * I've removed for now on that basis. Hchc2009 (talk) 18:16, 23 February 2014 (UTC)

Really, this is disgraceful
As I type this, the article contains the text "After the disaster at Bannockburn in 1314 ...". Ummm, no, you, as an encyclopedia do not get to take sides. Bannockburn was a disaster FOR THE ENGLISH. It was not "a disaster" full stop. Quite the contrary, it went rather well--if you were alive at the time and were a Scot. This is the kind of BASIC stuff about being an encyclopedia that I trip over ALL THE TIME in Wikipedia.2600:1700:6759:B000:E894:BFCC:705D:880 (talk) 10:35, 14 July 2024 (UTC)Christopher Lawrence Simpson