Talk:Thomas Charvériat

Article needs work
This article needs work. I have doubts about the notability also. The article at minimum needs to be toned down so that it is less of a link farm for his various projects (Island 6, Liu Dao collective). There's a lot of WP:Promotion going on here, with too many external links, which make it look like an ad rather than an encyclopedia article.New Media Theorist (talk) 17:42, 10 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Notability is fine. I see no problem with that. As for external links, no problems either. Sources could always be improved, as formatting, but otherwise, I see no need to tag the article. Coldcreation (talk) 19:42, 10 September 2015 (UTC)

Coldcreation, do you not seem some problem with an article that has 50+ external inline links that are not formatted as references? I am thinking of the exhibition tables below the text. New Media Theorist (talk) 21:10, 10 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Yes indeed, you are correct. I was referring to the External links section. Those links you mention should be formatted as references. Coldcreation (talk) 06:12, 11 September 2015 (UTC)
 * I've already modified the Selected exhibitions (as artist) section. Coldcreation (talk) 06:52, 11 September 2015 (UTC)
 * That was lot of work! Nicely done.New Media Theorist (talk) 15:11, 11 September 2015 (UTC)
 * More. Coldcreation (talk) 17:33, 11 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Coldcreation, it's much better in terms of inline links, but it now has 100 (yes one hundred) self-published references. I'm a new editor, but it seems to me that is a lot of self-published references. Could you tell me your thoughts on that? I say self-published as Chevariat seems to control the Island6 sites as well as his own.I'm wondering how to make this less of a "link farm" to the article subject's own sites.New Media Theorist (talk) 22:32, 11 September 2015 (UTC)


 * I'm going to nominate this for AfD so there can be a wider discussion of his notability. The self-published sources (m5project, island6.org etc) are registered by the article subject, according to whois searches. I don't think the notability is there, or if it is, it is obscured by the hundred links to sites that the article subject controls. New Media Theorist (talk) 22:49, 11 September 2015 (UTC)
 * The first step was to convert external links to sources. The second will be to remove duplicate (triplicate, and so on) sources. There really is no need for all of those, as you correctly note. They are easy enough to remove. As for notability: I can attest first hand to the notability of the artist and curator (as well as island6), as do several sources not linked to the artist. If you do launch an AfD please link it here (EDIT: I see you already posted it). I will gladly participate in the discussion. In the mean time, I will begin the reduction of source-links to articles the subject controls. (After which an AfD will likely no longer be needed). Coldcreation (talk) 06:36, 12 September 2015 (UTC)
 * ✅. Coldcreation (talk) 06:57, 12 September 2015 (UTC)
 * When you say "first hand", does that mean you know the article subject? I see Coldcreation a lot on his CV.New Media Theorist (talk) 17:11, 12 September 2015 (UTC)
 * You've got mail. Coldcreation (talk) 06:38, 13 September 2015 (UTC)
 * I didn't receive any email. In any case i did not realize I could even receive email from users! that function is now turned off. Back to the question: by first hand, did you mean to say you know the article subject? If you have a WP:COI, just disclose it, it's not such a big deal. I saw your user page, you are a significant and valuable contributor to the Wikipedia project.New Media Theorist (talk) 10:20, 13 September 2015 (UTC)

If you turn on the email function I will resend the email (your email stays confidential). There is no WP:COI. Coldcreation (talk) 11:12, 13 September 2015 (UTC)
 * No to email... my mom said to never talk in private with strangers. If you know the article subject, you should say as much. "Coldcreation" appears numerous times in the article, and on Charvariat's CV he had four shows at "ColdCreation gallery" in Spain. If you do not know the article subject, no worries.New Media Theorist (talk) 17:35, 13 September 2015 (UTC)
 * I curated shows, years ago, within which the artist exhibited, as mentioned in the article. There is no WP:COI as I no longer organize exhibitions, and he now has his own gallery. Coldcreation (talk) 18:42, 13 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Got it! You had a business relationship with the article subject, have met him, but it's not WP:COI. New Media Theorist (talk) 20:10, 13 September 2015 (UTC)

Further references
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 * Jonas Hoffmann, Ivan Coste-Manière, Global Luxury Trends: Innovative Strategies for Emerging Markets, Palgrave Macmillan, 2013, Chapter 7, Luxury and Arts in China, The island6 Case, by Camille Jaganathan, pp. 101-113, ISBN 1137287381
 * Katherine Cennamo, John Ross, Peggy Ertmer, Technology Integration for Meaningful Classroom Use: A Standards-Based Approach, Cengage Learning, Jan 27, 2009, p. 459, ISBN 0495090476
 * [Joan Carles Ambrojo, Un artista manipula a distancia aparatos electrónicos ajenos, El País, Spain]
 * 50_easy, La Ultima Cena, Galeria La Santa, article, N. 19, 11/12/2003, Barcelona
 * 50_easy, 2 page article
 * Guerrilla-Innovation, What you buy is almost what you get, February 2005
 * Eric Fouchet, détournements, Influx / Port-Folio, pp. 34-35
 * Débora Gutiérrez A., Artista crea electrodomésticos que adquieren vida propia, Cienca y Salud, La Tercera, 24 September 2001
 * Thomas Charveriat, nogome.com
 * Three by Thomas Charveriat, Animatronic Installations, networked_performance, Turbulence.org archive, 9 January 2005
 * Finaliza el Festival de Investigación Artística, "El Observatori 2004 ha reunido en Valencia las muestras más vanguardistas de net-art, diseño gráfico y música", e-cultura, El Marcantil Valenciano, 10 October 2004, p. 32
 * The Machine Manifesto, Cultura en migración, Observatori 2004, 5è Festival Internacional de Investigación Artística de Valencia, 7-10 October 2004, Ciutat de les Arts i les Ciències (City of Arts and Sciences), Museu de les Ciències Príncipe Felipe, Valencia, Spain
 * The Return Policy Project, 10 January 2005
 * Project::Free 2 Talk?, Netart Review, 12 June 2005
 * Exposición Transhalucinogenetic, Foro Salud Mental, Ocio, arte y creatividad como herramienta rehabilitadora, Ciudadela de Pamplona del 3 al 19 de noviembre de 2005
 * Entropy, Chaos, Order and Emergence, Inmersion Sonora, FO A RM magazine of arts and research, autonomy issue, Radio Contrabanda (91.4 FM), 21 April 2005
 * Thomas Charveriat, Blue and Red Unconscious, Le Salon de Mont Rouge, 2004
 * Dessislava Pirinchieva, Relato China. Capítulo tres. Thomas Charvériat, Ocaña, 16 January 2015