Talk:Thomas Eric Duncan/Archive 1

Contested deletion
No virus for Ebola has ever been isolated. Look into the background of Duncan. Cryptic Little Sister. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.50.3.170 (talk) 00:46, 19 October 2014 (UTC)

This article should not be speedily deleted for lack of asserted importance because... Mr. Thomas Eric Duncan is the First Ebola Case in US History diagnosed in the US and is of extreme importance to the country. As Duncan has very recently been identified the article has little to no information but will very soon as articles and information about him become available. Limited information is available and the article is evolving. Initial quotes in the article were similar to quotes by several news outlets but those quotes are being removed. Factual information will be added as it comes out.--Therealtred (talk) 22:01, 1 October 2014 (UTC)
 * This can be added to Ebola virus epidemic in West Africa. He is only important because he has the disease. Epicgenius (talk) 00:24, 2 October 2014 (UTC)

Thanks: Great idea — Preceding unsigned comment added by Therealtred (talk • contribs) 21:54, 8 October 2014 (UTC)

Probly shouldn't rush to delete. How notable this person is remains to be seen. Let the dust settle. Stepko5 (talk) 22:37, 12 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Deletion nomination is below. Epicgenius (talk) 01:30, 13 October 2014 (UTC)

At first seeing the intended deletion of his page, I thought to object. Others thought the general outbreak of 20014 page of : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ebola_virus_outbreak_in_the_United_States, was sufficient. I went to that page to review it. After I had, I agree that the page provides adequate coverage of Duncan, and he does not need a page devoted only to him. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.52.7.157 (talk) 00:18, 14 October 2014 (UTC)

Please do not delete or redirect
There are little known porn stars and local newscasters who have their own Wikipedia page. Duncan has made international news. He is the first person in the United States who was diagnosed and died of ebola. His case is being talked about by the White House and hospitals across America. He is extremely notable. and deserves his own page.Sy9045 (talk) 05:54, 9 October 2014 (UTC)
 * An article for deletion nomination is open at Articles for deletion/Thomas Eric Duncan. – Epicgenius (talk) 21:22, 12 October 2014 (UTC)

Facebook
His facebook page is at https://archiveDOTtoday/5sLp7 -- &#123;&#123;U&#124;Elvey&#125;&#125; (t•c) 19:04, 14 October 2014 (UTC)

patient zero
For all we know by now, this is in fact patient zero of Ebola outbreak in USA. Why delete then? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.9.97.53 (talk) 03:21, 15 October 2014 (UTC)


 * Agreed. Also, details about this person can go here that would be superfluous on the Ebola virus outbreak in the United States page. I can see that page getting really long as another person has tested positive in Texas, and a bunch more people have been added to the ebola watch.

Rue-chan (talk) 15:02, 15 October 2014 (UTC)

Merge or rename
I am not 100% sure if merge is needed; but this page is not about him (he doesn't seem to be notable) but the progress of his disease. At the very least, I'd suggest renaming this to the Illness and death of Thomas Eric Duncan. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 08:25, 17 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Support renaming. A concise title would be Death of Thomas Eric Duncan. (Aside from Ebola, Duncan does not stand alone as notable.) – S. Rich (talk) 17:16, 21 October 2014 (UTC)

Merge or Delete
This article Thomas Eric Duncan needs to be redirected/merged with the page Ebola virus outbreak in the United States because Thomas Eric Duncan is only notable for contracting the Ebola virus, and is not notable for anything else other than Ebola, so Thomas Eric Duncan should not have an article about him, but a section in the article Ebola virus outbreak in the United States, and this page should be merged. If you have any questions about my proposal of this article, leave a message on my Talk page. Thanks. CookieMonster755 (talk) 03:59, 18 October 2014 (UTC)CookieMonster755

His time in Ivory Coast
I don't think he currently has the independent notability to justify an article (see Articles for deletion/Thomas Eric Duncan) (though that could change depending how events play out).

However, if this is kept, it should be a thorough, NPOV treatment of his life. This definitely needs to include his time in the Ivory Coast. It is important for two reasons:
 * He went there to escape the Liberian Civil War. Being a refugee is obviously of major importance in someone's life.
 * He met his fiancée, Louise Troh (one of the people quarantined as a result of contact with Duncan) in that Ivory Coast refugee camp..

-- Superm401 - Talk 02:57, 19 October 2014 (UTC)

Insinuation?
"According to manager Henry Brunson, Duncan abruptly quit his job on September 4, 2014, giving no reason."

Why is this sentence included in the lead? It doesn't seem to add much to article, and perhaps due to the choice of wording, it seems to be insinuating that there may have been something sinister (and related to Ebola) about quitting his job. Onefireuser (talk) 17:36, 19 October 2014 (UTC)


 * It doesn't insinuate anything sinister. It reports the facts; apparently he gave no notice, and no reason. --Elvey(t•c) 20:27, 27 October 2014 (UTC)
 * So how is it relevant to this article? Onefireuser (talk) 17:45, 29 October 2014 (UTC)

End merge
I think this article's merging with the Ebola virus outbreak in the United States one should be separated. I'd like to copy and paste the part about him in the article there, then put it onto here, combined with a little background info that might not be appropriate for the Ebola outbreak article, and split the info into the appropriate sections.-- RM ( Be my friend ) 01:27, 22 October 2014 (UTC)

Got it from his daughter? Continued lying? Theory
According to 60 minutes, he got Ebola from his daughter; see here /here (quote: "'And that's when he said to me his family had suffered a loss. That he had buried his daughter who had died in childbirth,' she said." this seems to refer to Marthalene Williams, who he took to and from the hospital and EVD treatment ward, was pregnant, and died of Ebola. I don't know that we should be reporting on whether a nurse correctly reports a detail like that he got it from his daughter without more sources. --Elvey(t•c) 20:27, 27 October 2014 (UTC)

However, that article has the title, "Thomas Eric Duncan LIED to hospital staff and public health officials about his exposure to Ebola even after he was admitted, ER nurse says"... and on the basic fact of denying the exposure again, this is two more reliable sources (that is the nurse and the officials, according to the 60 minutes source). We should report that. And we should report the opposing view - that relatives say he told hospital staff he had been in Liberia. (source)--Elvey(t•c) 20:27, 27 October 2014 (UTC)

P.S. It seems to me that if more hospital staff and public health officials had known Duncan had been in Liberia and in contact with someone who had died, the 2 nurses probably wouldn't have contracted Ebola, and Duncan would have received more effective treatment. While that's just my opinion, the issue is IMPORTANT: My theory is that Duncan was highly symptomatic and highly contagious at the same time that he was believed to be at low risk for Ebola, and that  is why it spread to the two nurses. And if my theory is confirmed, being aware of it should calm a public and leadership that is at times acting as if it thinks, I think incorrectly, that all medical personnel who worked with ebola and are asymptomatic nonetheless pose a major risk and therefore warrant quarantining. In the case of Ebola, quarantining people who aren't sick doesn't make sense. Duncan was highly symptomatic and highly contagious for days before he was quarantined. I hope we can find info on (best guesses as to) when and how the nurses got infected - or at least info on what days they were caring for Duncan. --Elvey(t•c) 20:27, 27 October 2014 (UTC)

Edit needed
I was able to make one edit, but have been unable to change the phrase "her five children" to "one of her children and two nephews". as is correct according to many sources. This is located in the second section under "Contraction of Ebola", the first section, "Timeline of contraction and initial symptoms" and the second paragraph. Thank you.

Aquaflow1 (talk) 10:37, 31 October 2014 (UTC)Aquaflow1

Info added needed
I added in that Duncan's family reached a resolution with the Dallas Hospital. Here is one link that is solid, but I can get more if needed...Sherwoodstu (talk) 10:36, 12 November 2014 (UTC)

http://www.ibtimes.com/thomas-eric-duncans-family-reaches-resolution-dallas-hospital-ebola-case-1722165

Article expansion required...
The Ebola virus cases in the United States article has more info than this article, in several sections... Shouldn't those sections be detailed in this article and a summary there....Gremlinsa (talk) 12:28, 19 November 2014 (UTC)

I found his real birthday date, if you want i can pass the source 2804:14D:883:821A:A955:BCFB:9F29:E03A (talk) 00:41, 24 April 2019 (UTC)