Talk:Thomas Gage

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Did I do this right? I tried to make a citation and borrowed some code from another article. It seems to look pretty good but I don't know what's expected here. -Kroyw

Early life
Aside from additional inline citations, this article now has nothing on Gage's early life, which was in previous iterations. The family had lived at Firle Place in Sussex for many years, and the piece needs to have at least a bit on Gage's background, aside from his military exploits. I will try to restore it when I have a moment. Regards,MarmadukePercy (talk) 23:00, 31 January 2009 (UTC)

jjk —Preceding unsigned comment added by 204.248.121.2 (talk) 15:42, 22 March 2010 (UTC)

Copyright problem
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Pontiac's rebellion
Is the section on Pontiac's rebellion necessary here? Gage, who went from Montreal to New York, is barely mentioned in a section about events in Michigan and the Great Lakes. I think the whole section - although it has a source - is really not about Gage and should be taken out.Polkadreamer (talk) 18:48, 1 July 2013 (UTC)


 * Removing this section (as you did) leaves the impression he played no role whatsoever in Pontiac's Rebellion. Since he was CinCNA during it, and ordered troop movements (as documented in what you removed), this is clearly false.  Perhaps you could research more substantive contributions he made in dealing with the uprising.  Magic ♪piano 19:21, 1 July 2013 (UTC)

Magicpiano is correct in stating that Gage was Commander in Chief at the time - yet there were a hundred other events that happened while he was C in C that are not mentioned in the article. He "ordered troop movements" routinely. I submit that Pontiac's Rebellion should be part of articles on Amherst, Johnson, and Robert Rogers, since they were directly involved with it, but my original question is unanswered: why is a section on Pontiac's Rebellion necessary to an article on Gage, who was six hundred miles away when it happened?Polkadreamer (talk) 20:14, 2 July 2013 (UTC)


 * Jeffery Amherst was also "six hundred miles away" and was also probably not personally involved (to my knowledge, which is admittedly weak on this detail). His policies may have played a role in the start of the rebellion (along with the notorious smallpox controversy), but it was on Gage's watch that the rebellion was brought to an end.  If it deserves mention in Amherst's article because of his policies, it deserves mention here because of Gage's.  As I said, if you think the coverage weak, feel free to improve it.  Magic ♪piano 21:01, 3 July 2013 (UTC)

"Pyrrhic victory"
Ive had to revert back in the 'citation needed' tag for the text in bold several times. The statement in question is as follows:


 * "After the Pyrrhic victory in the June Battle of Bunker Hill he was replaced by General William Howe in October 1775, and returned to Great Britain."

This is a comparison between the Battle of Bunker Hill and the Pyrrhic Wars. It is uncited. The stated comparison from the Lede exists nowhere else in the article. For these reasons, they cannot be compared, as they are OR. - Jack Sebastian (talk) 02:36, 6 May 2016 (UTC)


 * I will cite this. However, I will also point out that, in the time that it took you to add the tag and complain about it being reverted, you could have researched and cited it yourself. It's not like sources are in short supply. Magic ♪piano 03:08, 6 May 2016 (UTC)
 * I just inserted one of the many cites available.  Calidum   ¤   06:15, 6 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Likewise, in the time it took you to revert this several times, your time could have been better spent finding the requested source. It wasn't as if I was asking you to determine if any odd perfect numbers exist or anything. If I had the time, I'd have done it. As it was, I tagged it so peeps with time could. - Jack Sebastian (talk) 16:25, 6 May 2016 (UTC)

Gage Family History
I am a descendant of Thomas Gage and Margaret Kemble, yet I note that only a few of his children are mentioned in this article. His son John Gage is my ancestor. I have the family history and I would like to add all his children. I am new to editing and I am not sure how I can include his other children. Thomas and Margaret had a total of 9 children:

A) Henry Gage b: 4th March 1761 Montreal, Canada, New France d: 29th January 1808 London, England, United Kingdom. Married 2 January 1789 to Susannah Maria Skinner Dau of William Skinner and Susan Warren and had 3 children; 1. Viscount Henry Hall Gage b: 14 December 1791 High Meadow, Gloucestershire, England d: 20th January 1877 married: 8 March 1813 to Elizabeth Maria Folay and had 8 children. 2. Thomas William Gage b: 4th August 1796 Westminster, London, England d: 26th January 1855 married: 12th June 1824 Sunbury upon Thames, Middlesex, England to Arabella Cecil St Quintin (1796-1840) and had 2 children 3. John Willoughby Gage b: 8th May 1798 West Firle, Sussex, England d: 22nd June 1799 West Firle, Sussex, England.

B) Maria Theresa Gage b: 4th April 1762 Montreal, Canada, New France d: 21st April 1832 Hastings, East Sussex, England. Married: 2nd March 1792 to Sir James Gregan-Craufurd (11th Oct 1761- 9th July 1839) son of Sir Alexander Craufurd and Lady Jane Crokatt and had 4 children: 1. Thomas Gage Craufurd b: Abt 1792 Kilbirnie, Stirlingshire, Scotland d: 18 June 1815 Hougoumont, Waterloo, Belgium. NI 2. Alexander Craufurd b: Abt 1793 Kilbirnie, Stirlingshire, Scotland. d: 12th Mar 1838 Kilbirnie, Stirlingshire, Scotland. NI 3. Rev Sir George William Craufurd 3rd baronet Craufurd of Kilbirnie. b: 10th April 1797 St Marylebone, Middlesex, England d: 24 February 1881 Pau, Pyrenees-Atlantigues, Aquitaine, France married: 10th February 1843 Surrey, England to Hester King (1806-1848) had 2 children married: 3rd May 1849 Christ Church, Barbados to Martha Holland NI 4.Jane Gregan Craufurd b: Abt 1798 St Marylebone, Middlesex, England d: 25th May 1884 married 10th October 1823 Brussels, Belgium to Christopher Chowne (dates unknown)

C) Thomas Gage Junior b: Abt 1765 New York, USA d: Abt 1766 New York.

D) John Gage b: 23rd Dec 1767 London, England d: 24th Dec 1846 St George Hanover Square, Middlesex, England married: 20th May 1793 St Marys, St Marylebone, London to Mary Millbanke (1765-1846) Dau of John Millbanke and Mary Watson-Wentworth. Together they had 10 children: 1. Mary Gage b: 28th Mar 1796 Marylebone, London, England d: unknown married: 22nd April 1820 Chalton, Hampshire, England to Henry Peter Delme (1796-1883) 2. Emily Elizabeth Gage b: 20th April 1797 Canada d: 25th Oct 1813 West Firle, Sussex, England 3. Rev Thomas Wentworth Gage b: Abt 1798 Marylebone, London, England d: 19th March 1837 married: 17th February 1831 Fareham, Hampshire, England to Lady Mary Elizabeth Douglas (1807-1888) Dau of Charles Douglas 5th Marquess Queensbury and Lady Caroline Montagu-Scott and had 4 children 4. Charlotte Margaret Gage b: 15 February 1799 Marylebone, London, England d: 9 September 1854 married: 20th October 1825 Wytham, Oxfordshire, England to John Hodgetts Foley (1797-1861) son of the RH Edward Foley MP and Lady Eliza Maria Foley Hodgetts and had 3 children. 5. George Gage b: 1800 Lewes, Sussex, England d: 1868 Kihikihi, Waipa, Waikato, New Zealand. married 1830 to Māori Chieftainess Waana Kahukopeka Porurua (1818-1895) Dau of the late Chief Te Poutu of the Southern Waikato Tribes and Te Peinga. They had 4 children who are as follows: 1. Mary Gage b: Abt 1837 Kihikihi, Waipa, New Zealand d: 1868 New Zealand married 14th December 1852 Otawhao, Hawkes Bay, New Zealand to Luke John Allen (1832-1920) son of John Thomas Allen and Martha Turner. They had 11 children. 2. George Gage Jnr (later changed his name to Hori Keeti) b: Abt 1838 Kihikihi, Waipa, Waikato, New Zealand d: Abt 1855 Kihikihi, Waipa, Waikato, New Zealand married 1854 Paeroa, Hauraki, New Zealand to Hemoata and had my great great great grandmother Mere Tori Keeti-Gage (1854-1926). 3. John November Gage b: Abt 1840 Thames, Coromandel, New Zealand d: 16th September 1915 Kihikihi, Waipa, Waikato, New Zealand married 3rd April 1862 Te Awamutu, Waikato, New Zealand to Ani Merrett (1842-1920) Dau of Dutch Artist Joseph Jenner Merrett and Princess Rangitetaea Koa. They had 8 children including David Richmond Gage (1868-1916) First half caste Māori/English born New Zealand All Black (nicknamed Pony Boy Gage) John's 2nd marriage was to Rea Pararaki Te Waitauwhi of who he had 1 son. 4. Walter Gage (however there is no details about Walter however New Zealand Births records a Walter Gage born to George and Waana. 6. John William Gage b: 30th August 1802 Marylebone, London, England d: 10th January 1849 Devon, England, married 4th August 1832 Rogate, Sussex, England to Mary Elizabeth Lushington NI 7. Maria Theresa Benedicta Gage b: 7th November 1803 Chichester, Crawley, Sussex, England d: 7th February 1804 West Firle, Sussex, England. 8. William Gage b: 20th January 1805 Marylebone, London, England. d: 30th June 1805 Sussex, England 9. Louisa Henrietta Gage b: 20 December 1809 Marylebone, London, England d: 19th June 1880 England married 13th November 1847 England to Ernst Rudolf von Bertouch (1808-1869) they had 1 son. 10. Sophia Matilda Gage b: 23 July 1811 Marylebone, London, England d: 1897 St George Hanover Square, London, England Never Married.

E) Harriet Gage b: 23 Dec 1767 New York, USA no record of death

F) Charlotte Gage b: 19th August 1773 Westminster, London, England d: September 1814 married: 22nd April 1802 England to Admiral Sir Charles Ogle, 2nd Baronet of Worthy (1773-1858) son of Admiral Sir Chaloner Ogle 1st Baronet Worthy and Lady Hester Thomas Ogle. They had 3 children. 1. Sir Chaloner Ogle, 3rd Baronet Worthy b: 18th July 1803 Hampshire, England d: 3rd February 1859 Brussels, Belgium married: 5th April 1842 Sussex, England to Elizabeth Sophia Frances Roe (1807-1886) they had 4 children. 2. Lady Sophia Ogle b: Abt 1804 Kirkley, Northumberland, England d: 23 April 1896 England married: 17th August 1830 St James, Westminster, London, England to Rev Edward Chaloner Ogle (1798-1869) and had 9 children. 3. Lady Charlotte Arabella Ogle b: 12 August 1805 New Alresford, Hampshire, England d: 22 July 1840 Paris, France married: 16th April 1836 Paris, France to Friedrich Eduard Julius Wilheim von Breidenbach (1809-1882) son of Wolf von Breidenbach and Marianne Merle Jeanette Frankfurter. They had 2 sons.

G) Louisa Elizabeth Gage b: 12th December 1775 Suffolk, England d: 21 January 1832 St Edmunds, Suffolk, England married: 13th February 1794 St George, Hanover, Middlesex, England to Sir James Henry Blake, 3rd Baronet Blake (1772-1823) son of Sir Patrick Blake 1st Baronet Blake and Lady Annabella Bunbury. They had 7 children. 1. Sir Henry Charles Blake 4th Baronet Blake b: 23rd November 1794 Langham, Suffolk, England d: 22 January 1880 England married: 2nd August 1819 to Mary Anne Whitter (1798-1841) and had 2 sons. Married: 15th February 1849 Yorkshire, England to Louisa Pilkington (1806-1881) NI 2. Louisa Annabella Blake b: 13th February 1796 Portland Place, London, England d: 6th June 1889 married: 20th May 1827 Norfolk, England to Francis King Eagle (1784-1856) had 1 son. 3. Patrick John Blake b: Abt 1798 d: unknown death 4. William Robert Blake b: Abt 1800 d: 6th Dec 1868 (no more information found) 5. James Bunbury Blake b: Abt 1803 Sussex, England d: 1874 England married: 1831 in Brougham, Suffolk, England to Catherine Pilkington (1808) had 2 children. 6. Thomas Gage Blake b: 5th April 1804 Middlehurst, Sussex, England no death date found. 7. Emily Elizabeth Blake b: 15th Dec 1807 d: 1859 unknown place married: 3rd January 1837 Bury, St Mary, Suffolk, England to Michael Edward Rogers (1814-1848) son of Rev Thomas Ellis Rogers and Marielena Agnes LeHeup. They had 1 daughter.

H) Emily Gage b: 25 April 1776 Pork Place, St James, Westminster, London, England d: 28 Augst 1838 England married: 27th August 1807 Hampshire, England to Montagu Bertie, 5th Earl Abington (1784-1854) son of Sir Willoughby Bertie, 4th Earl Abington and Lady Charlotte Anne Emily Warren. They had 7 children: 1. Montagu Bertie, 6th Earl Abington b: 18th June 1808 St George, Middlesex, England d: 8th February 1884 Grosvenor, Middlesex, England married 7th January 1835 Oxon, England to Elizabeth Lavinia Vernon-Harcourt (1816-1858) Dau of George Granville Vernon-Harcourt and Elizabeth Bingham. They had 9 children. 2. Honorable Charlotte Margaret Bertie b: 1809 St Marylebone, Middlesex, England d: 1893 unknown death place. No record of marriage found. 3. Lady Emily Caroline Bertie b: 11 August 1810 Middlesex, England d: 18th March 1881 London, England married: 31st July 1830 Oxfordshire, England to Hon. Rev Charles Bathurst (1802-1842) son of Henry Bathurst 3rd Earl Bathurst and Lady Georgina Lennox. NI found 4. Honorable Albermarle Bertie b: Jan 1812 Middlesex, England d: 4 February 1825 5. Honrable Rev William Henry Bertie 16 September 1812 Middlesex, England d: 1893 6. Lady Georgina Augusta Bertie b: 1815 Middlesex, England d: 4th May 1815 Middlesex, England. 7. Honorable Brownlow Charles Bertie b: 9th August 1819 Middlesex, England d: 30th December 1852.

I) Sir Willam Hall Gage b: 4th January 1777 St James, Kent, England d: 4th January 1864 Thurston, Suffolk, England

I feel it is vital that we mention the whole family line as it shows the various relationships that were formed and the various family connections that we have. Matauri1977 (talk) 11:10, 8 May 2024 (UTC)