Talk:Thomas Hoccleve/Archive 1

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I found this page to be horribly out of date and dismissive of Hoccleve - so I partially edited it to correct the blatant misrepresentations of Hoccleve's work and life - which, contrary to the impression given by the original entry, is now considered to have quite a bit of significance to scholars of the late medieval period. The original encyclopedia entry, possibly lifted almost directly from the public domain Encyclopedia Brittanica, reflected assumptions about the aesthetics of poetry that have been considered close-minded and nearly blasphemous for at least the last 40 years - on top of an expressed distaste for the "post-Chaucer" works of poetry of the fifteenth century.

Date of Death
The intro sentence says he died in '26, while the section about his life suggests a late poem of his was from '48. As has been noted elsewhere on this page, this article was originally based on an out-of-date encyclopedia article; I suggest that the later date is probably based on later and better scholarship, but someone ought to look into it and get a good citation before we go guessing at changes. If I end up in contact with someone from the Hoccleve Project, I'll ask. --CrazyDreamer (talk) 02:08, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

I'll have a look at the ODNB entry, which seems quite full, but it won't be before the weekend, I'm afraid.Bmcln1 (talk) 15:35, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

Biography revision
This evening I've worked mainly on the Biography section, using ODNB, and referencing it. I cut one or two remarks that were unreferenced and either not mentioned in the ODNB or were contradicted by it. I read through the other sections, which read very well and are quite informative (I knew a girl who nearly died of boredom when required to read Henrician poetry by her tutor at Oxford!). Still, I think they are challengeable because they are not specifically referenced, but I don't have the books or the expertise to do much about it. So I pass on the baton and I hope I haven't done too much damage or trodden on anyone's toes. Blessings. Bmcln1 (talk) 19:46, 24 November 2010 (UTC)

Other points
I think the two claims that Hoccleve coined words should be checked and marked as checked, if anyone happens to have a copy of the OED in their back pocket. Bmcln1 (talk) 19:51, 24 November 2010 (UTC)

I would suggest, if others agree, replacing the Recent scholarship section with a list of Further reading. It seems to me to be riddled with POV. Bmcln1 (talk) 20:01, 24 November 2010 (UTC)