Talk:Thomas J. Hudner Jr.

The race question
It seems significant that Hudner, a white New Englander, risked his life to try to save Brown, a black man from Mississippi and the first black aviator in the Navy. In the context of the racial caste system in the U.S., Hudner's devotion to his fellow airman is even more remarkable. President Truman, who ordered the desegregation of the armed forces, may have felt this episode was especially commendable because it demonstrated heroism without regard to race. — ℜob C. alias &Agrave;LAROB  15:45, 22 September 2011 (UTC)
 * I was interested in covering this distinction in the article but unfortunately few of the sources seem to discuss it in depth. Would have been very nice, though. — Ed! (talk) 18:00, 29 November 2011 (UTC)


 * Catholic?

the article says that his family is of "Irish" descent without specifying whether he is Catholic or not. Ethnically Catholic or not is night and day. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.255.170.233 (talk) 04:11, 4 December 2012 (UTC)

Korean War, Thoman Hudner and my Dad
Hello all. My dad, retired master chief Jacob Propsner served with Mr Hudner during the Korean War. Dad remembers the incident with Ens J. Brown vividly. Dad remembers Hudner as well. Dad was so happy to see Mr Hudners name in the aviation magazine, 'Pacific Flyer'. Very proud of dads Navy career. — Preceding unsigned comment added by PropUSN (talk • contribs) 20:18, 18 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Glad to hear it. Do you know any additional sources we can use for this article? Jesse L. Brown is a featured one already, and this one is undergoing review for featured status. — Ed! (talk) 20:26, 18 June 2012 (UTC)

Who was who's wingman?
Both the article for Jessie L. Brown and the article for Thomas J. Hudner, Jr. list the other man as the wingman. Jessie L. Brown article: "...and Lieutenant Junior Grade Thomas J. Hudner, Jr., who was Brown's wingman". Thomas J. Hudner, Jr article: "He rose to the rank of captain, and received the Medal of Honor for his actions in trying to save the life of his wingman, Ensign Jesse L. Brown, during the Battle of Chosin Reservoir in the Korean War".

I don't know much about aviator tradition but the wingman article says that the wingman is the plane that follows behind the leader. As one would have had to have been in front of the other I would take it one man would have been the other's wingman. Do the sources specify which was wingman? Wolfhound668 (talk) 13:26, 4 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Replied on the Brown talk page. — Ed! (talk) 14:20, 4 December 2012 (UTC)

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Date format
The date format in the article is schizofrenic. Thanks to WP:MILITARY, the date format on American people in the military is always in question. Even so, it's inconsistent in this artciel, which it shouldn't be in a GA. HandsomeFella (talk) 13:59, 14 November 2017 (UTC)

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Positions held - inconsistency
Why would this latter assignment be left out of the introduction? --KnightMove (talk) 17:35, 4 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Introduction: "Following the incident, Hudner held positions aboard several U.S. Navy ships and with a number of aviation units, including a brief stint as executive officer of USS Kitty Hawk (CV-63) during a tour in the Vietnam War, before retiring in 1973."
 * Section Later Navy career: "In 1968, he was assigned as the operations officer for the Southeast Asia Air Operations division of the U.S. Navy."

Korean War Naval Aviator Medals of Honor
Article originally said in Awards area that Capt. Hudner was the only Naval Aviator to receive the Medal of Honor in the Korean War. This is inaccurate in that Lt. (j.g.) John K. Koelsch, a helicopter pilot, was posthumously awarded the Medal. Edited the section to reflect that. 2600:1700:A610:5650:8189:EDC4:96E7:1978 (talk) 16:04, 16 December 2022 (UTC)


 * You need to cite a reliable, published source for that first, per WP:RS. BilCat (talk) 19:13, 16 December 2022 (UTC)