Talk:Thomas Johnston (engraver)/Archive 1

Birth date?
Is it just an odd coincidence that Johnston was born on May 8 and died on May 8, or is this an error in transcription from a source to this article? – Jonesey95 (talk) 23:43, 21 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Mistake on my part. Fixed to birth as only in 1708 and age of 59. Thanks for catching.--Doug Coldwell (talk) 12:39, 22 August 2020 (UTC)
 * I'm pretty sure that we do not know if he was 58 or 59 when he died. If he was born after May 8 in 1908, he would have been only 58. – Jonesey95 (talk) 16:29, 22 August 2020 (UTC)

Copyright contributor investigation and Good article reassessment
This article is part of Contributor copyright investigations/20210315 and the Good article (GA) drive to reassess and potentially delist over 200 GAs that might contain copyright and other problems. An AN discussion closed with consensus to delist this group of articles en masse, unless a reviewer opens an independent review and can vouch for/verify content of all sources. Please review Good article reassessment/February 2023 for further information about the GA status of this article, the timeline and process for delisting, and suggestions for improvements. Questions or comments can be made at the project talk page. MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 09:36, 9 February 2023 (UTC)

Working through this article's refs per the individual GAR
See Intent to open an independent GAR. These refs are all online and check out as reliable. (This section is only to check out that 1)these sources exist and 2)they are reliable.): These refs are not online: That's all for now. I work my way through all the refs eventually. Shearonink (talk) 18:48, 12 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Ref #1 - 1907/Stauffer - also free of copyright
 * Ref #2 - 1971/Reps
 * Ref #3 - 1918/Dunlap - adjusted the URL-linkage to the exact page which is both 196 *and* 312
 * Ref #5 - 1915/Williams - Ancestry of Lawrence Williams: Part I, Ancestry of His Father, Simeon Breed ...- Page n221/PART II
 * Ref #6 - 1998/Japanned Furniture-News Journal
 * Ref #7 - 1924/Portraits of Increase Mather...This one might be problematic. States the Johnston portrait of Mather theory but then discounts that Johnston actually did that portrait so it shouldn't be used as a ref for the preceding statement. This ref is tied to ref4 by the sentence - The Boston Museum of Fine Arts has a portrait of Increase Mather by Johnston, and the Massachusetts Historical Society also has one attributed to him.
 * Ref #8 - 1915/Boston Daily Globe/Boston Folks Coats of Arms
 * Ref #4 - 1999/Garraty

Moar refs Available online:
 * Ref #9 - 1865/Heraldic Journal
 * Ref #11 - 2007/Ogasapian
 * Ref #12 - 2016/"The OHS Pipe Organ Database"
 * Ref #13 - 1947/Babcock
 * Ref #16 - 2016/Ciment...stated info is available at the cite
 * Ref #17 - 1957/Mass Hist Society...stated info is available at the cite

Not online:
 * Ref #10 - 1979/Owen - this Internet archive link is no longer available
 * Ref #14 & Ref #15 - 1971/colonial society of Mass - author? is not clear from the URL, also text unavailable

Should be deleted, unavailable:
 * Ref #33 - is to Thomas Johnston's May 11, 1767 Obituary and I have been unable to find it online so it should be deleted. Shearonink (talk) 19:38, 14 February 2023 (UTC)
 * See Ref #20 comments below. Shearonink (talk) 18:05, 19 February 2023 (UTC)

Moar MOAR refs: Available online:
 * Ref #18 - New York State/1st historical print
 * Ref #19 - New York Historical Society/1st historical print
 * Ref #20 - Green/1890 - this ref is legit contains GREAT information, AND contains the BOSTON EVENING POST May 11, 1767 17OBITUARY (why DC did not cite this as being where he got the Ref #33 info....*sigh) but does not back up the statement it is attached to re: "persuaded Johnston" (etc)
 * Ref #23 - Winsor/1887...fully available, gives complete information on the copying of Johnston's original plate in other publications
 * Ref #24 - Exhibition Catalogues/1908...listing of some of Johnston's engravings
 * Ref #25 - Readex/1964...available online but is this really needed? AGAIN with the "first historical print"
 * Ref #28 - Williams/1915 - available online at Internet Archive, another ancestry
 * Ref #29 - ALSO to Williams/1915 - available online via Hathi Trust...see Ref #5 + Ref #28 28 & 29 are the same ref, why are they 2 different cites, Page 228/182
 * Ref #30 - Author is not REPS, author is Sinclair Hitchings. Colonial Society of Mass, Chapter should have been cited, multiple cites to this book seemingly under different refs
 * Ref #32 - 1905/Beers - apoplexy not in cited ref. Available online. Stated as an "apoplectic fit" - my mistake. Shearonink (talk) 19:25, 19 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Ref #33 - Obituary - UNAVAILBLE ONLINE BUT is AVAILABLE THROUGH REF #20

NOT available online:
 * Ref #21 - Kane/1997...this ref is to a subscriber-only ref/archive.org cite and so I CANNOT check it.
 * Ref #22 - Ramsay/1975...not available online and also, it isn't even NEEDED.
 * Ref #26 - NYPL...not fully-available online, only available in a quoted/truncated form also #25/Readex is problematic
 * Ref #27 - Library of Congress...not available online AT ALL, also DC "quoted" from it

OK, that is it for going through all the cites as to being available online or not. Next, picking apart the statements & possible paraphrasing etc. Shearonink (talk) 18:05, 19 February 2023 (UTC)