Talk:Thomas Wyatt (poet)

Critical opinion
Have revised the implication that CS Lewis was being entirely dismissive or denigrating when he called Wyatt the father of the Drab Age; have also put in something about the comparison to Henry Howard, and recent critical attention in the 20th century. More detail should be given to this section in my opinion. Gaylegoh (talk) 19:46, 11 April 2009 (UTC)

Whoso list to hunt
I have revised the assertion that Whoso list to hunt 'certainly' refers to his relationship with Anne Boleyn. The poem could simply be a reinterpretation of Petrarch's 190; the line in question ('Noli me tangere, for Caesar's I am') is a close echo of Petrarch's "Libera farmi al mio Cesare parve". Gaylegoh (talk) 07:26, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

Sewer Extraordinary
So what is a 'Sewer Extraordinary'? Njál 16:16, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

I think it was the role of a young boy who served the table of the king during meals. Synaptics Pointing Device 17:51, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

Poetry section
I think this page could be improved by having a second section all about his poetry, i.e. its influence on english metre, the translations of petrarch, the psalm translations. Any thoughts? Synaptics Pointing Device 21:26, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

The date of Thomas Wyatt's death
I've noticed that the date of Thomas Wyatt's death is stated as being the 24th of September, when in fact he died almost a month later on October the 11th 1542 at the house of his friend, John Horsey. Patricia Thomson states this in her book, solely about Wyatt, entitled 'Sir Thomas Wyatt and his background', so whatever sources have stated otherwise, are incorrect. You need only google Wyatt's name, and you'll find he died in October on almost every online source. Luminarium being a good example, which states very clearly that "Wyatt was given various royal offices after his pardon, but he became ill after welcoming Charles V's envoy at Falmouth and died at Sherborne on 11 October 1542" (http://www.luminarium.org/renlit/wyattbio.htm). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.97.38.55 (talk) 11:06, 16 June 2011 (UTC)

Embassy to Papal Court
According to the |The Daily Mail and |The Anglophile the petition to annul the marriage of Catherine of Aragon was in 1530 (the document is in the "secret" papal library). Wyatt was marshall of Calais at the time. Besides Tillyrand (p. 5) says that the papal mission was in 1527, which is consistent with the article which says that his alleged capture (which took place after the visit to Rome) happened in 1527. In other words, the mission could not have been about the annulment of the marriage. I have seen no other authority that asserts that the Russell-Wyatt mission was about the annulment (aside from sources which copy this article). I therefore propose modifying the sentence to delete the reference to the annulment (it is not sourced anyway) and re-write it to include the date of the mission. Any objections? AnthroMimus (talk) 21:56, 8 August 2013 (UTC)

Inconsistency with other articles
This article, the article about Tomas's father Henry Wyatt, and his sister Lady Margaret (Wyatt) Lee have significant inconsistencies with each other. One glaring one is that they don't agree on the children of Henry. The Margaret article seems overly influenced by romanticized versions of the Anne Boleyn story. This article takes without a grain of salt the imprisonment over Anne Boleyn story without a source. Neither caution (as does the Henry article) that most of these stories come from later family papers, at a time when the family was interested in burnishing the images of these three, after Thomas's own son was branded a traitor. AnthroMimus (talk) 23:49, 9 August 2013 (UTC)
 * I've just checked the three articles on Sir Henry Wyatt, Sir Thomas Wyatt, and Margaret Wyatt, and so far as I can see, they all agree on the children of Sir Henry (unless I missed something?). NinaGreen (talk) 17:58, 14 August 2013 (UTC)

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Plagiarism from Edward Albert's "History of English Literature"
I notice that the paragraph beginning "Wyatt's poems are short but fairly numerous" is copied verbatim from Edward Albert's "A History of English Literature" without attribution. The text of this book's fifth edition (1955) is available in several places on the internet, but technically would seem to be still in copyright. At a minimum we should attribute it. Beyond that, unless we can find that the paragraph is the same in an earlier out-of-copyright edition, we presumably need to rework the material in the paragraph. Any suggestions? Mrmedley (talk) 01:04, 27 May 2020 (UTC)
 * I fear we need to replace it, not just attribute it. I (finally) found the 1923 edition: here, and I cannot find Wyatt in it. -Arch dude (talk) 04:10, 28 May 2020 (UTC)
 * UPDATE: the poet is listed in this book as "Wyat", not Wyatt. He can be found on page 96. I have not (yet) checked the quote. -Arch dude (talk) 04:16, 28 May 2020 (UTC)


 * The material was added in September 2019 with this edit. It is one of a string of edits that are all likely to be copyright violations by the same editor. That editor eventually got blocked for this same behavior of several; other articles. Can someone please clean this mess up? -Arch dude (talk) 04:41, 28 May 2020 (UTC)

Wyatt's Style
The Infobox assertion that Wyatt's style is " mannerism" is questionable and as noted must be sourced. All respect to DayakSibiriak , but his/her commendable addition to the definition of mannerism in poetry is "notable for its elegant, highly florid style and intellectual sophistication." If this is not quite the antithesis of Wyatt's approach, it is within sight of it. Wyatt is as far from "highly florid style" as any poet of his era could be, and he is more often credited with a boldly direct and even "plain" style, eschewing as he does the complex and colorful metaphors of his predecessors and contemporaries who embraced those qualities that they believed they found in Petrarch, who was one of their primarily influences. Rather than RV, though, let's see if there is some proper sourcing for the assertion.

Sensei48 (talk) 22:00, 5 April 2023 (UTC)


 * Agree. May be as Renaissance literature. I'm going to add embed box writer with genres and box officeholder or just office inline. DayakSibiriak (talk) 02:46, 6 April 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for the prompt reply. Maybe we could source "mannerism" and add another descriptor with sourcing as well, one that doesn't contradict mannerism but broadens the view of TW's style. Sensei48 (talk) 00:49, 7 April 2023 (UTC)

Ooops! Beg pardon. I see that you already did this. Regards, Sensei48 (talk) 00:52, 7 April 2023 (UTC)