Talk:Thranduil/Archive 1

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I think this is a really good entry for Thranduil. Who made this anyway? They should write one about Haldir and Drizzt! You guys are crazy if you don't hire that person to make all the entries about elves! They deserve alot of credit for such ingenious research and phrasing! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.240.198.61 (talk • contribs) 2003-01-20t01:12:19z (the same user who wrotethat version of the entry)

Inclusion of side notes
Does all the stuff about the friendship of Gimli and Legolas really belong here, in the Thranduil entry? It hasn't much to do with him. --Darksasami 18:32, 25 Apr 2005 (UTC)


 * since Legolas is Thranduil's son and all of this is something the traces from Legolas to his father I think it fits well in Ariakas 7 July 2005 10:25 (UTC)

Furthermore... Legolas wasn't 'growing up' with tales of the Hobbit-Dwarves. He was already fully grown up at that time! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.219.159.42 (talk • contribs) 2006-01-15t00:10:51z

Life span
''Life span: ? First Age - ? (circa 115 years)''

Did Thranduil die? When? OldEnt § 20:42, 30 July 2006 (UTC) Uhm, I don't get it. Born around 115 FA? OldEnt § 20:44, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

There is no mention of Thranduil's death. He was Elvish and immortal. He either eventually sailed to the Undying Lands of stayed in Middle-Earth and slowly "faded"; if the latter, it happened millenia after the 4th Age began.

Reconciliation
Gandalf certainly hoped that Gimli and Legolas would become friends through the Fellowship; and that this could be the germ of Dwarvish-Elvish reconciliation that would pay both short and longterm benefits. I don't know that the article's more narrow statement about reconciliation between THRANDUIL'S people and the Dwarves of the Mountain is so accurate, however. What Gandalf had in mind was a larger reconciliation encompassing Elves and Dwarves across Middle-earth, not just between the Mountain and the Woods. Gloin's "flash of anger" at the Council of Elrond notwithstanding, the Elves of Thranduil's kingdom and the Dwarves of the Lonely Mountain are portrayed as having reconciled after the Battle of Five Armies. There was commercial traffic between them, political messengers, etc. The Elves of Lorien and other scattered Silvan groups were much more alienated from Dwarves than Thranduil's folk. 169.253.4.21 (talk) 16:21, 25 February 2008 (UTC)TexxasFinn

Q&A
What was Thranduils surname ? I dont know if they mention it or not.. just would like to know... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.231.197.118 (talk) 00:00, 15 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Tolkien's Elves do not have surnames. The only peoples to use surnames in Middle-earth are the Shire-hobbits and the people of Bree. You are probably confusing surnames with patronyms (e.g. Legolas Thranduilion = "Thranduil's son"), names taken or given sometime in their lives, often because of some archievement/skill/etc (e.g. Beleg Cúthalion = "Strongbow", he is a good archer), or a simple translation of the name that is sometimes added (e.g. Legolas Greenleaf). For information on this topic, you can also refer to the article "Elf (Middle-earth)#Names and naming conventions". ~ Winterwater (talk) 00:30, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

I think it should be mentioned somewhere of the mingling of the people here, Sindar coming from the ruin of Doriath, and Oropher (Thranduil's father) being taken as their Lord. It should also be noted from "The Disaster of The Gladden fields" They left the ancient home at Amon Lanc across the river from their kin in Lorien. And also that Oropher led their army into battle with the Last alliance. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 199.245.32.210 (talk) 17:33, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

Sorry the last comment i left was supposed to be for the article Mirkwood. Terribly sorry —Preceding unsigned comment added by 199.245.32.210 (talk) 17:41, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

Thranduil's origins
It's never really specified where Thranduil came from, whether he was amongst the First-born or the son of an Elven lord. We also don't know if he's indeed a Nandorin Elf or a Telerin.--71.177.196.162 (talk) 00:59, 19 March 2011 (UTC)

Tolkien vs Jackson
I think those articles should be based solely on books, not on films loosely based on books. They deserve extra paragraphs or smth. This bit

The Dwarves were captured by Thranduil's guards and, suspicious of their intentions, he had them locked in his dungeons from which they later escaped inside wine barrels.

originates from film Hobbit; in the book is, I remember definitely, not wine barrels, as being too large and uncomfy and difficult to re-seal. All other goods game in barrels as well, one dwarf was packed in ex-apple-barrel, some in those from butter etc. So, this kind of information should explicitly be marked as, or in section of...smth like 'things based on original lore'. Just now I'll just remove word 'barrel' from the article, as most confusing.BirgittaMTh (talk) 21:13, 27 January 2015 (UTC)


 * We try to have a separate section for the adaptation information, although minor differences don't belong in the article really - only major and widely discussed changes. It was well spotted though, and you're right the article should foucs on the books ! GimliDotNet (talk) 21:20, 27 January 2015 (UTC)


 * I agree with BirgittaMTh, it's very important not to confuse Tolkien's work with Jackson's.... interpretation of it, in this documentation. And I must add - you guys are doing some great work here, producing well written and well researched articles. I have found them to be very helpful and a pleasure to read, so keep it up! Khayyam 77 (talk) 08:05, 12 March 2019 (UTC)

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