Talk:Three-finger salute (pro-democracy)

Requested move 6 March 2021
Three-finger salute (pro-democracy) → The Hunger Games salute – I believe that it has been acknowledged in commentary regarding the subject of its origins in Suzanne Collins's The Hunger Games series. Here's a Wall Street Journal article about its history (paywall), as well as a CinemaBlend article. But I want to hear your thoughts. Image2012 (talk) 17:45, 6 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Addendum: The Hunger Games is supposed to be italicized, of course. Image2012 (talk) 17:46, 6 March 2021 (UTC)


 * Support per WP:NATURALDISAMBIGUATION. The origin of this salute is from The Hunger Games, and it's probably the most commonly known term for this in English. Rreagan007 (talk) 21:14, 6 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Weak oppose. "Three-finger salute" appears to be the much more common term used to refer to the gesture, both in the series and real-world contexts (as reflected in both articles linked in the nom). The gesture has far outgrown its origins in the novel/film series, and calling it the "Hunger Games salute" can seem rather misleading as to its real-world significance, which is what lends notability to the topic. The real-world political meaning has also drifted from its original meaning in the series, and the title should probably reflect that the former is the article's main scope. That said, I agree the (pro-democracy) disambiguator is rather clunky, though I can't quite think of a better alternative. Three-finger salute (The Hunger Games) might be most recognisable form that best helps readers identify the topic, but it fails in conciseness compared to both the current and proposed titles, and doesn't really satisfy my other points either. --Paul_012 (talk) 12:34, 7 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Well, the series is notable in its own right. I don't think people would be unable to recognize it at least from the films. Image2012 (talk) 05:47, 8 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Agree with User:Paul 012 to change the title, but do so differently. Also, per WP:NATURALDISAMBIGUATION, "The Hunger Games" salute does not seem to be the primary topic here; I am under the impression that it is rarely used, if at all. The Guardian calls it by Three-finger salute, in official The Hunger Games wiki Fandom it is also called Three Finger Salute. It would be somewhat misleading to entirely replace the current title in my opinion. Zhl025 (talk) 08:32, 9 March 2021 (UTC)


 * Support. Starzoner (talk) 02:05, 8 March 2021 (UTC)


 * Oppose per wp:commonname—blindlynx (talk) 00:20, 12 March 2021 (UTC)

Scout Salute
To me the "Hunger Games" salute is indistinguishable from the Scout Sign. It is hard not to believe this was its inspiration. Stub Mandrel (talk) 20:16, 7 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Makes sense. See this commentary from Scouting magazine's blog. Image2012 (talk) 05:44, 8 March 2021 (UTC)
 * The Scout sign is held at shoulder height or touching the eyebrow. The Hunger Games three-finger salute is done with the hand raised above the head. While the gestures are similar, the inspiration is not obvious; a concrete source is needed to draw such conclusions. --Paul_012 (talk) 01:21, 10 March 2021 (UTC)
 * You're right, people need to put common sense aside and find an online left-wing source that will specifically outline that the Scout salute, which nearly everyone has seen, is the inspiration for the three-finger salute in Hunger Games. Everyone knows that how high ones' hand is held in the air makes all the difference on whether or not it was inspired by the Scouts. ChonokisFigueroa (talk) 00:00, 4 July 2021 (UTC)

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Questions on the prevalence of terminology
How many sources refer to it as "the three-finger salute"? How many sources refer to it as "the Hunger Games salute"? Of course, this has to be paired with the question: how many sources refer to The Hunger Games franchise? Image2012 (talk) 12:20, 9 April 2021 (UTC)

Revisiting title
Seeing as there's been reports of anti-vaxxers using the gesture, this may be time to revisit the article title issue. I'm less inclined to oppose (The) Hunger Games salute, though I still think forms that reflect the three-finger description such as Three-finger salute (protest symbol) or Three-finger salute (The Hunger Games) might be slightly preferable. --Paul_012 (talk) 08:05, 11 June 2021 (UTC)