Talk:Three Vajras

Body
Is there a wisdom body, too? I think there is, I remember something like that. Vajrabody, Vajrabodhi.
 * Austerlitz -- 88.75.71.60 (talk) 19:32, 10 February 2009 (UTC)




 * rdo rje'i lus; sku rdo rje;
 * rdo rje'i gsung; gsung rdo rje
 * thugs rdo rje;

The body (sku), voice (gsung), mind (thugs), qualities (yon tan) and activities (phrin las) represent the five fundamental aspects of an enlightened being.[9]

* mind emanation: thugs kyi sprul-sku * speech emanation: gsung gi sprul-sku * body emanation: sku yi sprul-sku * qualities emanation: * activities emanation: phrin las gar ?


 * Austerlitz -- 88.75.71.60 (talk) 20:03, 10 February 2009 (UTC)

Lus is the ordinary body and sku something like enlightened body. Is this right? -- 88.75.71.60 (talk) 20:15, 10 February 2009 (UTC) http://www.dharma-media.org/ratnashripj/teacher_palme_quality.html http://www.mail-archive.com/fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com/msg19343.html (see number 1 - 6). -- 88.75.71.60 (talk) 20:15, 10 February 2009 (UTC)

Lama Dechen Yeshe Wangmo (http://www.yeshewangmo.net/) once wrote that there is a "divine wisdom body" called Lha sKu. Here it is explained. "lha sku = sacred images (of deities); divine form". Nothing about wisdom, though.

From the article the term lus kyi dkyil Here is a link with a similar word. -- 88.75.211.226 (talk) 18:24, 11 February 2009 (UTC)

lus kyi dkyil 'khor = body mandala [ry] (from nitartha) -- 88.75.211.226 (talk) 18:26, 11 February 2009 (UTC)

-- 88.72.18.168 (talk) 23:34, 14 February 2009 (UTC)
 * sku'i dkyil 'khor - mandala of buddha-body GD [IW]
 * http://rywiki.tsadra.org/index.php/sku%27i_dkyil_%27khor

see lus, see sku.
 * http://www.nitartha.org/cgi-bin/find
 * -- 88.75.79.37 (talk) 10:04, 12 March 2009 (UTC)

Mantra

 * Padmasambhava - Guru Rinpoche (with explanation of the meaning of Vajra Guru Mantra)
 * Austerlitz -- 88.72.18.168 (talk) 23:42, 14 February 2009 (UTC)

Wisdom body
Wisdom body in tibetan language means ye shes kyi sku; source, page 10, found on the wikisite of Thangtong Gyalpo
 * Austerlitz -- 88.75.74.108 (talk) 18:54, 11 March 2009 (UTC)

Nitartha says for ye shes kyi sku:

ye shes kyi sku

timeless awareness embodiment [RB]

ye shes kyi sku - wisdom form [IW]

ye shes kyi sku - wisdom body, wisdom form, pristine awareness embodiment; Jnanakaya [ry]

ye shes kyi sku - jnanakaya, Wisdom Body [JV]
 * Austerlitz -- 88.75.74.108 (talk) 20:33, 11 March 2009 (UTC)

some theoretical basics: -- 88.75.74.108 (talk) 20:52, 11 March 2009 (UTC)

I guess there must be a relation between the three Vajra Bodies and the one wisdombodhi. Somebody must have uttered a word or two.
 * RanjungYesheWiki on ye shes kyi sku
 * Austerlitz -- 88.75.79.37 (talk) 13:26, 12 March 2009 (UTC)

Maybe here -- 14:00, 12 March 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.75.79.37 (talk)
 * see "The Five Koshas and Three Bodies "
 * Tara, the Savioress
 * Theosophy in Tibet: The Teachings of the Jonangpa School
 * The Five Buddha Families


 * (german)
 * Chögyal Namkhai Norbu
 * Vairocana
 * Vairotsana
 * -- 88.75.66.151 (talk) 10:04, 16 March 2009 (UTC)

Titel of the short text in actual link no. 9 is Die Vereinigung von Sonne und Mond durch das Yantra des Vajra-Körpers
 * -- 88.75.66.151 (talk) 10:57, 16 March 2009 (UTC)

Does this Religious symbolism of unity of opposites belong here, too? I feel it does, argument still lacking though.
 * -- 88.75.66.151 (talk) 11:22, 16 March 2009 (UTC)

Lemma
Is there a wikisite -a lemma- named Vajra Guru? I would like to know why Padmasambhava has been named like this? Has he been -still is- the only one?
 * Austerlitz -- 88.75.199.240 (talk) 14:55, 16 March 2009 (UTC)

There is the term Vajra Dakini as you know. Vajra Guru and Vajradakini should be befriended gotra, no? Have not read it yet.
 * The Vajra Dakini A Meditation on the Paradise of Vajrabodhi Dakini
 * -- 88.75.199.240 (talk) 15:19, 16 March 2009 (UTC)

numbers I've just read that there are people talking about "the four vajra syllables of body, speech, mind and wisdom"; it was a site about Kalachakra Ritual in 1999 in Austria.
 * Austerlitz -- 88.75.86.150 (talk) 21:20, 16 March 2009 (UTC)


 * Yes, body, voice, mind and wisdom, where wisdom resides at the solar plexus, digestive centre according to Dudjom's bible, see also examples in three prajna. NB: 2 b9hum, 5 consorts of WrathPad, 5 Vajras:
 * B9 hummingbird hovering (talk • contribs) 13:28, 17 May 2009 (UTC)

As a form of the Three Jewels statement
Quoted from "The Tibetan Book of the Dead (The Great Book of Natural Liberation Through Understanding in the Between)", translated by Robert A.F. Thurman.

OM AH HUM - These three invoke the body, speech, and mind of all Buddhas, resonating with the Emanation, Beatific, and Truth bodies of the Buddhas, and containing the totality of enlightened presence.

This would imply the statement "as a form of the Three Jewels" is technically (though harmlessly) incorrect. I have not corrected the entry, pending discussion. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.9.244.188 (talk) 00:01, 21 April 2011 (UTC)