Talk:Throne of Blood

Comeuppance?
What is the wife's comeuppance, and how does she get it? - Bagel7 14:49, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
 * quote: "her long-supressed conscience has begun to plague her; she is haunted by visions of spots on her hands — the blood her husband has spilled largely at her instigation — and she eventually loses all contact with reality, tormented into madness by the guilt" - Darwinek 00:46, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

Source on T. S. Eliot's favorite film
Throne of Blood being T.S. Eliot's favorite film is often mentioned, but I can't find a source for his actually saying or writing that. For now I am adding a citation of a Guardian film review that repeats the claim, but it would be better to cite the original source. -- Meyer (talk) 03:04, 19 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Since no direct sources have come to light, I have rephrased the article from saying the film was Eliot's favorite to was reputed to have been. -- Meyer (talk) 05:28, 24 September 2009 (UTC)


 * It's almost surely better to omit this reference entirely. What one poet was reputed to have though of the film is hardly of critical importance to the article. I'm cutting it.zadignose (talk) 03:00, 30 September 2015 (UTC)

Macduff
This article contradicts itself, saying at one point that there is no Macduff character, then claiming in the cast list that there is one. Which is correct? 92.3.96.98 (talk) 08:30, 13 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Reference has been provided Noriyasu is the Macduff analogue. Don't blink or you'll miss him. The mention you refer to that there's no Macduff used to be in the Plot section. That kind of analysis doesn't belong there; and in particular, that kind of unreferenced analysis doesn't belong anywhere. Ribbet32 (talk) 19:28, 10 December 2016 (UTC)

Incomprehensible gap in plot summary.
What's missing here? "... Washizu plans to tell Miki and his son about his decision at a grand banquet, but Asaji tells him that she is pregnant, which leaves him with a quandary concerning his heir, as now Miki's son has to be eliminated. During the banquet Washizu drinks sake copiously because he is clearly agitated, and at the sudden appearance of Miki's ghost, begins losing control..."

Washizu is planning to tell Miki something at a banquet, but is interrupted by the appearance of Miki's ghost... the beginning of the story strongly suggests that Miki is alive and present at this banquet, but now he's dead. If Miki mysteriously failed to show up at the banquet, or his absence was noted, or a murder plot was put in motion, it should be mentioned here.zadignose (talk) 01:53, 30 September 2015 (UTC)

"110 minutes"?
My BFI DVD of the film is 105 minutes (the website rounds down to 104 minutes) -- is there a longer cut of the film somewhere? (I am aware that it's possible the current text of the article is based on slightly slowed bootleg copies online or the like. Such uploads are, of course, not a reliable source; the BFI DVD would be better, but ideally we would have a book or other such source that explicitly discusses the discrepancy, especially given that modern books are likely to just get their info from here.) Hijiri 88 ( 聖やや ) 09:34, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
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 * WP:EPICFAIL - Why does this editor not only refuse to perform a simple google search but also remove the comment which would have provided a rapid and decisive conclusion to his or her imaginary quandary? If this editor finds the archive.org link unacceptable, the film is available to watch legally and within copyright protections on various sources such as Google Play - 109 minutes, Amazon Prime - 109 minutes, BFI player - 110 minutes, Kanopy - 109 minutes, iTunes - 109 minutes. Surely basic search engine competence should be a requirement for Wikipedia editors, no matter how lowly, in this age of abundant online information. HeyHoNonny (talk) 09:01, 4 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Please cite a reliable secondary source that explicitly says that my copy of the film that I paid money for is either sped up or cut to be the length it is and those copies you apparently found online (?) are the correct length. None of these primary sources you are linking to explicitly state that the film as published by Toho in 1957 was 110 minutes -- in fact, they explicitly support my assertion that there is a discrepancy, as the only one that says 110 (as opposed to 109) is the BFI -- the same one that previously put out a DVD that explicitly listed the run time as 104 minutes. Hijiri 88 ( 聖やや ) 13:07, 4 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Do a Google book search for the running time of the film. HeyHoNonny (talk) 23:08, 4 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Per WP:RS and WP:V, that's not how these things work. Hijiri 88 ( 聖やや ) 01:25, 5 October 2020 (UTC)
 * On the contrary, that is precisely how you should be researching this matter. Looking at your copy of the DVD is not. HeyHoNonny (talk) 03:52, 5 October 2020 (UTC)
 * NOR does not apply to my above talk page comments -- Wikipedians are, on the contrary, encouraged to be sceptical about article content, whether said scepticism is based on "instinct" or some other reasoning that would be unacceptable as a citation for inclusion in the article. Anyway, DVDs are just as usable as primary sources as streaming copies -- making a point on the talk page based on such a primary source is fine, but using other such primary sources while claiming they are reliable secondary sources and therefore trump primary sources is not. Hijiri 88 ( 聖やや ) 05:59, 5 October 2020 (UTC)
 * BTW, I don't doubt that 110 is the "correct" number, since two separate Japanese DVD releases from 2018 and possibly 2015 (both primary sources) give that run time. But given the discrepancy between the Japanese sources that say 110, the American sources that tend to say 109, and the British sources that say 104 or 105, we really shouldn't be speculating over which sources are "right" without a single reliable source addressing the matter. Hijiri 88 ( 聖やや ) 02:02, 5 October 2020 (UTC)
 * The 109 minutes run time is caused by rounding the exact running time down rather than to the nearest whole number. There is no "range of running times" for this film. DVDs have different running times from the original film depending on the TV coding system used. HeyHoNonny (talk) 03:52, 5 October 2020 (UTC)
 * There, was that so hard? Would you mind explaining why you chose to answer my question now rather than last Wednesday? Was it related to my directly editing the article as opposed to posting on the talk page? I was assuming that there was some reason for the discrepancy, and so rather than directly editing the article I asked here, but your above responses convinced me that there likely was no simple explanation. Hijiri 88 ( 聖やや ) 04:57, 5 October 2020 (UTC)