Talk:Through the Looking Glass (Lost)/Archive 1

Episode numbering
Live Together, Die Alone, even though it is two episodes, is credited as one, should this be the same for this years two hour finale? The same goes for Exodus so I will change the numbering. If the numbering is to change, I will revert the numbering, but only if it changes for the other two finale episodes. Mtowers 21:26, 16 April 2007 (UTC)


 * I personally feel that all 3 season finales should be listed as 2 episodes. That's the way they will live on in eternity as reruns and syndication.  Every other show breaks 2 hour episodes into 2 seperate hour episodes;  I dunno why Lost is not treated the same way BaconLover 17:24, 23 April 2007 (UTC)


 * I agree. --Arctic Gnome (talk • contribs) 17:11, 17 May 2007 (UTC)


 * I just tried looking this episode up using "lost looking glass" and came up with two different entries for this episode. Someone needs to merge them. The other was listed as Untitled Season 3 Finale

Italicized Flashbacks
Earlier in the series, episodes were treated with the flashback sequences wholly italicized. This served to admirably divide the episodes into contemporary and past sequences. I think we should revert back to this styling, rather than just entering the entire episode in normal text. (Mchelada 22:43, 21 May 2007 (UTC))

I agree. I also noticed this when I looked at some early episodes recently, and I must say that it was easier to understand. Plus, you don't really have to search in the article for the flashback material. - Kmann108 04:38, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

Were these really flashbacks? Weren't they "flashforwards" or premonitions??? /Joe Hill


 * You might say the on-island scenes are now flashbacks, and the off-island scenes take place in the present. - LeonWhite 01:07, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

Can someone begin italicizing the previous episodes' flashbacks? (154.5.194.215 22:30, 25 May 2007 (UTC))

Spoiler?
Shouldn't there be a spoiler warning on this article? 71.79.111.247 03:17, 24 May 2007 (UTC)
 * why? then there should be spoiler warnings on all episodes' articles.

Who Knows Korean?
What did Jin say before he was going to get shot? --70.140.22.6 04:04, 24 May 2007 (UTC)

He is Japanese, not that I know it anyway.


 * i don't know what you're talking about, the character is korean and he certainly doesn't speak japanese.


 * so not only do you not know that he is Korean, you would have had no answer either way. Please don't comment like that again.

I am thinking on how to spell it in english bascially he sad "Kin Cha Na" which would be "wait" "hold on" roughly

A: Emm.... Korean people.

-A good friend of mine speaks fluent Korean, so all I need is an audio clip(s) for him to translate. I forgot to tape it on Wednesday, so I don't have it. If anyone can provide a link to an audio snippet I can have it for you. I have to say from what I remember of the episode, I don't think that the emotion he was expressing when he delivered his line implied something nice like "wait" or "hold on". I could be wrong however because I do not remember that part of the show too well.199.73.74.5 21:48, 25 May 2007 (UTC)Jibberish81
 * I Guess this doesn't violate any big corporate laws but I've got that clip if someone is still interested translating it http://koti.mbnet.fi/jeresa/joo/jin_korean.mp3 Jerekorva 00:04, 26 May 2007 (UTC)

I'm Korean, the clip (from the link) says "go to hell" if anyone wanted to know Istillcandream 00:16, 27 May 2007 (UTC)

Flash forward
The article and related articles mention that the portions with the bearded alcoholic Jack are flash forwards. Is there some source that can corroborate that? One thing that seems to discredit this theory is that Jack tells the new doctor that he should be fired if his father is more drunk than he is. His father should be dead in the flash forward. - Kevs 06:13, 24 May 2007 (UTC)

-Shawn
 * Jack was drunk and intoxicated, which is why the doctor gave him the questioning look when he mentioned his father, because he knew that Jack's father was already dead.


 * Also, Jack may very well be referring to "upstairs" as heaven, which fits, since Jack is showing the doctor that Jack isn't dying from drinking like his father did.


 * Jack's phone is probably the single best example. It's a Moto RAZR, if that's how you spell it, and they didn't have those in 2004. -155.42.196.19 06:27, 24 May 2007 (UTC)

--it's actually a KRZR, which was released last year. The RZR would've been available, however.

---This page says that it is a RAZR. -155.42.196.19 22:29, 24 May 2007 (UTC)


 * so what? go to the motorola website and see that this phone IS a KRZR. BTW. i have this phone. it is a KRZR. end of discussion. 82.83.65.98 16:42, 26 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Who cares?! We all know that the RAZR/KRZR is new anyway.  —    «   h i p p i  i p p i   »    05:13, 27 May 2007 (UTC)


 * The end of the episode is the only real corroborating evidence. Jack knows Kate, Jack references 'getting back.' He also references receiving a golden ticket for free flights, which would make sense for crash victims. Jack's father seemingly alive is just another one of those Lost mysteries that no doubt will be unravelled at some point Jpoku 09:57, 24 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Jpoku is right, based on early episodes they didn't know each other before, they didn't have golden tickets as far as we know and it makes sense to have them now. Also, why else would he wan it to crash forgot to signNIKKKIN 11:12, 24 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Well, if this is not an evidence at least here's a clue : the name of the Funeral Parlor is "HOFFS / DRALAR", an anagram for..."FLASH FORWARD". Also, in one of his flashforward sequence you can see Jack in his room surroundered by maps that he is using to locate the island.


 * Even though there is no W in HOFFS / DRALAR...


 * It's Hoffs/Drawlar.


 * What EXACTLY did Jack say on his cell phone at the beginning of the flash-forward to whomever he was calling, about reading about the obituary in the paper? It was something like "I read about your..." and he was interupted by the other caller.  Please clarify that, would be a big hint as to the coffin occupant.

- It's clearly a flash forward. The problem is that when they were rescued, they were rescued in to a split in the space-time continuum. In their new version, none of the things that caused them to be on that plane in the first place will have happened. That's why Jack's father is still alive and Kate is not in jail. Kate's part is the biggest clue. She's a murderer; all the fame that would come from being rescued would ensure her being sent to jail. I predict that we'll find this true for the other chars, e.g. Hurley won't have won the lottery. Locke's and Ben's predictions will start to come true, hence Jack's burning desire to get back. 75.73.41.132 15:12, 24 May 2007 (UTC)Nick


 * That's a very compelling theory, and I'm tempted to agree with it. The one problem that I see with it is why they would have Gold airline passes if the plane crash never happened? Maybe it happened but instead of crashing onto the island, it just crashed normally and they were discovered.

-I totally agree - it's either "flashforwards" or premonitions. Not "flashbacks"./Joe Hill

For sure it's in the future, the only question remaining, was Jack's dad's death staged? Jack not only refers to his father being upstairs but is hanging on to scripts from his dad's desk. Hmm..

Jack refrencing his father only brought him strange looks and as someone else pointed out, he was intoxicated through most of the episode so just because he throws his fathers name around doesn't mean he is still alive. And if that space time continuum theory is true, i will stop watching the show because that sounds really dumb.

Why are we speculating? We should be presenting the article just as the episode is presented to us. NO speculating! This isn't a forum for idle discussion. ALSO will people please sign their names with four tildes whether or not you have signed up with Wikipedia —   «   h i p p i  i p p i   »    05:17, 27 May 2007 (UTC)

Is this a vision or do you think this is what is definitely supposed to happen?90.240.79.229 10:22, 27 May 2007 (UTC)

Jack refers to his dad as he does because he is panicing and desperate for the drugs.

Jack refers to his dad as he knows that he is dead, and so there is no way that he can be proved to be drunker than his dad and so he cannot be fired.90.196.231.157 14:24, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

Why delete the trivia?
It's not like giving a synopsis of the plot is very encyclopedic. Besides, people who watch the show are going to want to know a couple of interesting things about the show.

-I believe that the trivia should be kept, or at least have some sort of section for the little things that people would be likely to miss. I only come to Wikipedia to read the trivia sections, because I have already seen the show and I am simply looking for the little things that I missed. Things like the anagram for the funeral parlor that spells "FLASH FORWARD" that someone pointed out above.199.73.74.5 17:56, 24 May 2007 (UTC)Jibberish81


 * I added the Trivia section back, there is no explanation provided for its removal and similar sections exist for previous episodes. 75.185.72.109 18:19, 24 May 2007 (UTC)


 * See WP:TRIVIA. Junk trivia with no chance of integration is removed. Matthew 18:28, 24 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Get to work.          I'll link some more when you're done. WriteDoer 18:38, 24 May 2007 (UTC)


 * I read that article on trivia, and it said you should try to integrate trivia into the main article. But it didn't say that you should delete it if you can't.  It specifically said that it does not deal with "if trivia belongs in Wikipedia." - Shaheenjim 19:57, 24 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Yeah, what the heck? Especially the phone number. I initially edited the trivia section with the bit about the phone number Jack dials. I think that was important! It was later integrated into the document, no problem. Now it's gone! what! In fact that whole section about him leaving the message is gone...

The body was found at 4 a.m.. The first number. :D --70.140.22.6 04:26, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

I wanna see the trivia.

Music
In the flashfoward of Jack visiting the funeral home, what song is he listening to on the radio? I know it is by the band Bush, but I cannot remember the song name. Also, was this song written after the date of the crash in order to provide further forshadowing that this wasn't a flashback? StudySage 18:32, 24 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Nevermind (no pun intended), it's Nirvana's "Scentless Apprentice", which came out long before 2001 StudySage 19:06, 24 May 2007 (UTC)

I'm pretty sure that it's Scentless Apprentice, by Nirvana, from their 1993 In Utero album.209.47.202.9 19:08, 24 May 2007 (UTC)Generacy

Definetly Scentless Apprentice.

How does someone confuse Bush with Nirvana?
 * That someone listens to both, and they sometimes share similar musical qualities.

Similar musical qualities? wow, that is a strecth. you should start writing for Lost...

i was going to ask the same thing.. i think it's Bush..not sure which song. anyone knows? got a few lines from it? and i'm asking it again cause i'm still not sure it's nirvana..i need to see the episode again but it's not on this computer :) (Lior)

"i'm still not sure it's nirvana."
 * it is, though. as has been mentioned several times, it is "scentless apprentice."ZebulonNebulon 07:12, 3 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Yeah, without a doubt its scentless apprenticeThe dead don 16:03, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

Charlie's "Death"
We can't officially say that Charlie is dead yet, for the simple fact that he is never actually shown dead. It is very possible, especially on Lost. For all we know, he could have swum out the window or Desmond might have found a way to open the door. There is also a chance Charlie died, thus fufilling Desmond's premonitions, and is then revived. Link McCloud 18:49, 24 May 2007 (UTC)

No Charlie is definately dead. From a writing standpoint, they can't bring him back. He's died too many times and it wouldn't be believable. Also, they made sure he left on a good note so he could get hero roles in the future. From a logical standpoint, he drowned. From a reality standpoint he's no longer an employed cast member for any future episodes.. The hobbit is dead dude.

The window in the room is only halfway up the wall, wouldn't this mean although the water rushing in would replace most of the air and pressure would then compress what is left there should still be a space at the top of the room filled with air that mabey Charlie could use to plan his miraculous return. :D And how come know ones had theories about walt? Maybe...Jacob saves him for...some...reason...?


 * No your scientific understanding bear no wieght on the story line. I had the same thought while wathcing thinking.. shouldn't the water level have stopped at the top of the window? But nope. It magically filled up every air tight crevase of the room. The water simply absorbed the air. I watched in amazement. Charley died.


 * No, that is ridiculous. He is dead.  --thedemonhog talk • edits • count  01:21, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

Am I the only person who was wondering why Charlie didn't just leave the room and close the door from the outside? 85.210.2.66 02:55, 25 May 2007 (UTC)


 * You're not alone at all. The answer to that entirely sensible question is: because the railroad plot demanded it.  It raises an equally sensible question: why would a person in their right mind continue watching this show week after week, when howlers like that are passed off as drama?  I ask because I watched the whole season and hated myself for every minute.  Asat 04:03, 25 May 2007 (UTC)


 * then you go online & read & write about it, hating yourself for every minute of that. so at least the show gives you an avenue for all that delicious self-hatred that you seem to crave.ZebulonNebulon 07:15, 3 June 2007 (UTC)


 * I don't think that the door could be shut from the outside (hence Desmond's frantic pleas with Charlie to open up the door when he heard Penny). I think Charlie ran in and shut the door to stop the whole Loking Glass from flooding - I don't know why, to give Des more time to escape? I do agree with Asat above though, the regressive storyline dictated that rather annoying scene take place, and for Charlie to die. 3 more seasons? Hmmmm.Surferwoz86.31.164.250 13:37, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

-I do not believe at this point that anyone can say whether or not Charlie is definitively dead. I thought for sure that Mikhail Bakunin (The one-eyed Russian) was dead when he was zapped by the ultra-sonic fence, or when he was harpooned by Desmond, but he keeps showing up. He may even show up after having detonated the grenade outside the submerged complex. Obviously the implication is that Charlie fulfilled his destiny to die by one of Desmond's visions, but anything said after that is merely speculation.24.107.141.122 03:25, 25 May 2007 (UTC)Jibberish81

Charlie had to die because otherwise Desmond wouldn't know that Naomi wasn't working with Penny. Xiner (talk) 20:14, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

You are all missing one crucial point: Charlie chose to die to save the life of the woman he loved and her child. He had to, otherwise she would not get off the island. Remember Desmond's insistance that events occur in sequence least the consequences become nullified? (154.5.194.215 22:33, 25 May 2007 (UTC))

Actually, when Desmond sayd that Charlie should die so Naomi would fall on the iland, Charlie didn't and Naomi was still there..... But i think he is dead, what is ridiculous because water should stop going up when it reaches the window... (sorry about my English)

yea sure and in the titanic is also still air... Its a matter how high the waterpressure is! so if the station is in 20 meters deep. how high would be the pressure and how high would the water flood. the water would NOT stop on the window! nonsense! 82.83.65.98 16:53, 26 May 2007 (UTC)


 * The entire station (at least that with open doors) is pressurized to the same pressure as the water. If not, then the ocean water would flood the station through the moon pool.  Before Charlie closed the door, the air in that room was pressurized to the same level.  Assuming it doesn't have its own, separate pressurization that failed, it would have remain pressurized so that it kept out the water once it had nowhere to escape.  The Titanic would not be likely to contain any air because, even through sealed metal, small amounts of air will escape unless pumped out.  Val42 04:29, 27 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Sorry, but what's your point there about the water pressure? Anyway, yeah, we shouldn't say Charlie dies.  We'll have to wait till next season.  Everything thats been said above is spculation.   It's been presented to us in a way that implies that he's dead, but we all know Lost.  Anyone can come alive again. —    «   h i p p i  i p p i   »    05:10, 27 May 2007 (UTC)


 * To summarize: The cabin that Charlie is in has an air bubble at the top for the same reason that the whole station has a bubble at the top of the moon pool. If you don't know, the moon pool is where they entered the submerged station from below the station. Val42 06:07, 27 May 2007 (UTC)

Libby

 * According to, Libby was going to be in this episode (at least, in theory). Did anyone see her in Jack's flash-to-the-future? -155.42.196.19 22:59, 24 May 2007 (UTC)

No. Libby died.

-Just because Libby died does not mean that she wouldn't appear in the episode. Dead people show up in the character's "vision's" all the time. BTW, I did not see her in the episode.24.107.141.122 03:12, 25 May 2007 (UTC)Jibberish81

That article is from last year, talking about the May 24th, 2006 season finale - This year's season finale was on the 23rd. That said, I still miss Libby :(

Of course she appeared in this episode! She was one of the people who appeared in flashes in Sylar's eyes when he died. Err... either that, or all this sweeps week crap is starting to get to me... --Reverend Loki 17:25, 25 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Didn't Jack Bauer kill her on Monday?


 * No, you're confused. Jack Bauer killed Pam Beesly when he accidentally tortured her to death in an effort to obtain information about Jim Halpert.


 * Don't you mean Bree van de Kamp and the Scottish woman from Ugly Betty? ;)

Merry Christmas
Am I right in thinking that this episode took place on 25 / 26 December 2004? (user:Sevenplusone 14:23, 25 May 2007 (UTC))


 * I'd say that you're about right, if they landed around September and have been there for about 90 days...


 * The episode took place on 23 / 24 December 2004. Mtowers 16:07, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

Friend or family
When Jack goes to the funeral home in the flash forward, the funeral director asks him if he's friend or family. What's his response? Does he say either or neither? The wikipedia article used to say neither, but someone changed it to either, and I'm not sure if that's right. - Shaheenjim 15:38, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

I am equally confused because a lot of people seem to have heard "neither" but listening to it again at a very high volume using my PVR, it really sounds like he says "either"...

Me too. I definitely heard "either", and was very confused at first reading through the discussion related to this part. After I figured out that other people must have heard "neither", I went back and listened again, and it still sounds like "either" to me.

Closed captions has it as "Neither", and until other evidence is presented, we have to use this.

I heard "ether", but my subtitkes to portuguese says "neither"... i think i will have to trust them

LOL those closed captions are sooo unreliable though! come on, you think the lost producers write them up?

Here is an audio clip of the Jack saying the now infamous "n/either" for all to listen to. Everytime I listen to it, I can understand how one would think he says "either," as the "n" sound is kind of just breathed instead of said. But, you can definitely hear the "n" sound if you listen closely. On Lostpedia, there is also a debate and they bring up a great point that if Jack meant to said "either" any English-speaking person in the world would have said "both" instead. I doubt it's any kind of deliberate trick by the producers of the show. Hope that helps. -- Mac   OS X  09:11, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

Dead body
Someone changed the article to say John Locke was the one who died. They said it with quite a bit of confidence. They cited a close examination of the newspaper article. I don't think we're supposed to know, and we certainly aren't supposed to be confident in the knowledge. I say we delete that from the article. Maybe we could say that it examination of the newspaper article makes some people think the name starts with "Jo" which has led some to believe it is John Locke. But not with any degree of certitude. - Shaheenjim 15:38, 25 May 2007 (UTC)


 * The name in the newspaper is most likely an alias, since it appears to end with "ntham". - LeonWhite 23:55, 26 May 2007 (UTC)

It is probably Ben, noone would visit him and Kate said 'No, why would I?'. If it was Locke they would of probably visited, afterall he still has feelings for the survivors more than the island, as he spared Jack.

Fire guns into sand
Someone changed the article to say Ben had secretly ordered the raiding party to shoot their guns into the sand, rather than kill the hostages. Is that true? - Shaheenjim 15:38, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

That's true, Tom tells Ben over the radio that instead of firing three shots into the sand, they should have really killed Sayid, Jin and the Dentist.


 * Actually, that's not quite correct. Tom doesn't tell Ben this. He tells one of the other guys at the beach that Ben doesn't know what he's talking about and that they should have really killed the hostages. So it is implied very strongly that Ben secretly gave them instructions to fire into the sand instead of killing them.

watch it again, he tells Ben (or he tells someone anyway) that they shouldn't have wasted their bullets by firing them into the sand.

It shouldn't be called a flashforward.
It wasn't "flashrewind", so why is it called flashforward? It should be flashahead. Xiner (talk) 20:15, 25 May 2007 (UTC)


 * I think "flashforward" makes sense. If someone went "back in time" that would be the opposite of moving "forward in time", right? Or people in a queue being asked to step back or step forward. Even if it's not the perfect terminology, "flashforward" seems to be how other sites are referring to it. ChazBeckett 20:23, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

That's just the correct term, take a dictionnary --Milegue 21:26, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

As usual with this series we should be very careful about the conclusions we draw. Do the flashforwards prove anything? Are they actually things that happen, or are they things that might happen? Maybe they are Jack imagining his future? 199.71.183.2 21:31, 25 May 2007 (UTC)


 * May I remind everyone of WP:CRYSTAL and just accept everything presented to us in the episode at face value?

I'm removing the flashfoward thing from the lead section... I think it's a spoiler. No-Bullet (Talk • Contribs) 02:11, 26 May 2007 (UTC)

too long plot
The plot summary is way too long and has to be trimmed. Cloud02 11:05, 26 May 2007 (UTC)

Is it longer then two regular episode summaries put together? Because it is unfair to reduce this summary just to fit the normal one hour summary size.


 * There's no normal one hour summary size. The problem with this one is that it isn't a summary, but a detailed description of everything that happened in the episode. Cloud02 08:27, 27 May 2007 (UTC)

Please correct if wrong...Everybody but Jack is now a murderer
With Hurley killing Pryce with the VW van and Locke killing Naomi, is there anybody but Jack of the Losties, that HASN'T killed somebody on the Island?

- Rose?

Btw: i'm quite sure, locke got "permission" for extreme measures from the "monster".


 * Frogurt guy, Rose, Sexy Blue Striped Shirt Girl... Will (We're flying the flag all over the world) 22:24, 26 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Kate hasn't killed anyone on the island. Jack euthanised the US marshal after Sawyer failed to. - LeonWhite 23:53, 26 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Sorry, should have been clearer (thanks to LeonWhite, and corrected)....Now, every MALE "Lostie" (main character) has killed somebody on the Island. And given that if the females on the Island end up dying in pregnancy (a act also begun by the men obviously)...is that significant???

Kate killed an Other when they were folliwing Micheal at the end of season 2 remember? Griffenflash 23:57, 2 June 2007 (UTC)
 * That was Sawyer, not Kate. --Blackannis 15:50, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

In many cases they had Necessity. Most of the castaways are now Homicides, but to call them "Murderers" is to overstate the case.216.52.69.217 15:47, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

Jack killed the Marshall Mtowers 17:13, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

Flashback or flashforward
in the middle of the episode jack says to Dr. Hammil to get his father, Christian Shephard, "down here" and if Jack's drunker than he is then Dr. Hammil can fire him. If his dad is alive it happened in the past BUT at the end of the episode jack talks to kate, He explains to her that he has been using the "golden pass" given to him by the airline to take flights across the Pacific, in hopes that the plane would crash and he would get back to the island. He says he no longer cares what would happen to the other passengers onboard. He says that he wishes that he could go back and fix his mistake. Kate refuses to acknowledge that she made a mistake. Kate gets in her car and begins to pull away, as Jack is left screaming: "We need to go back!" as an airplane takes off behind him. that would prove it happened in the future


 * Nothing stays dead on the Island - look at Mikhail, for instance. Will (We're flying the flag all over the world) 23:42, 26 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Are you saying that Jack's father is alive? —   «   h i p p i  i p p i   »    05:00, 27 May 2007 (UTC)


 * It's not beyond the realms of possibility. Will (We're flying the flag all over the world) 12:20, 27 May 2007 (UTC)

in all fairness they never found his body!! and he like Ben's mother were seen walking around the island, i think lost is getting far too complicated for itself

My guess is that the person in the funeral home is actually Ben. Ben has no friends or family and Jack stated he was neither friend nor family. However Jack is upset at Ben's death because Jack wants to get back to the Island, and presumably with Ben now dead there's nobody who has the knowledge on how to get there again.


 * This is probably right, seeing that his diary is right next to the casket (I think). :)--24.175.38.166 18:16, 2 June 2007 (UTC)

Newspaper article
Is anything more going to be made of the newspaper article? 

Has anyone got any clearer pictures of it, or can anyone make any more of that picture, so that we can potentially transcribe what was written on it?

sorry english so im rubbish with american accents, but which characters have a new york accent as it says they're from that area

This is what it says: (source: losteastereggs.blogspot.com)

"The body of John Lantham of New York was found shortly after 4 am in the 4300 block of Grand Avenue.

Ted Worden, a doorman at the Tower Lofts complex, heard loud noises coming from the victim's loft.

Concerned for tenants' safety, he entered the loft and found the body hanging from a beam in the living room.

According to Jaime Ortiz, a police spokesman, the incident was deemed a suicide after medical tests. Latham (sic) is survived by one teenaged son.

Memorial services will be held at the Hoffs-Drawlar Funeral Home tomorrow evening."

surely thats michael then as walt would be a teenager by then?

Is there proof that that is what tthe article actually says?!


 * I don't think that this "transcription" of the article should be included in the summary for 2 reasons:


 * 1. There is no official source that confirms it does, in fact, say that.


 * 2. The specific details of the article aren't notable.Jackieboy87 04:35, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

Trivia removal
"* It has since been announced that actor Dominic Monaghan will not return to Lost as a main character next season.
 * Hurley's Volkswagen van (first seen in "Tricia Tanaka Is Dead") makes a return in this episode.
 * The news station reporting about the accident in the hospital is Action 8 News. 8 is one of the numbers.
 * The keypad in the looking glass signal room goes up to 16. 16 is one of the numbers.
 * "Hoffs-Drawlar", the name of the funeral home that Jack visits, is an anagram of "flashforward".
 * Towards the end of the episode it's clear that Jack and Kate will take on traits similar to their parents. Jack is a drug-addicted alcoholic and Kate, in saying that "he" will be wondering where she is, is in a relationship with a controlling man since she is so closely monitored."

I've removed these points because: Please stop reinserting this, please. Will (talk) 17:44, 2 June 2007 (UTC)
 * 1) The first is obvious
 * 2) The VW note is integrateable: "Hurley drives the Volkswagen van (from "Tricia Tanaka is Dead")".
 * 3) 3 and 4 are numberscruft.
 * 4) 5 and 6 are original research.

Jack's dad
Perhaps you could change the frontpage, because as has been discussed here, it has not been proven that Jack's father is dead indeed.. 82.73.133.177 19:13, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

I agree, Jack's father's body was never found since he reached the island, his coffin was found empty, but his father may very well be alive. Robert Beck 21:24, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

But we do see his father in a body bag (Season 1 - White Rabbit) being identified by Jack himself. What else do we need for proof? It is interesting though what has happened to the body... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.131.207.3 (talk) 22:15, August 27, 2007 (UTC)