Talk:Thunder River Rapids Ride

according to norwegian media 4 people died.
both nrk and tv 2 is saying the same thing.84.212.111.156 (talk) 09:28, 25 October 2016 (UTC)

the article needs work
duration say 4. 4 what, it does not make any sense. please fix it. i have no knowledge about the ride so i can not.84.212.111.156 (talk) 09:30, 25 October 2016 (UTC)

Intamin are not the manufacturer
As a matter of urgency, I removed Intamin as a manufacturer. I'm sorry if I've done this incorrectly, but a lot of news outlets are saying this is an Intamin attraction, but Intamin AG have published the following on their website: "Like everyone in our industry, we are shocked and saddened about the tragic event at Dreamworld. Please be informed that this ride was neither built by Intamin nor supplied by Intamin. We are therefore not in the position to make any comment. Our thoughts are with the families and friends of those affected.". If anybody wants to tidy up my edits then please do, I've not edited a Wikipedia article before, but thought this was too important not to, particularly as it damages Intamin's reputation and they have specifically said they are not the manufacturer.

80.87.23.202 (talk) 13:34, 25 October 2016 (UTC) Dominic


 * p.s. Here's the site: http://www.intaminworldwide.com/amusement/Home/News/tabid/196/Default.aspx Adpete (talk) 03:13, 27 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Where they write, in large bold letters:"Like everyone in our industry, we are shocked and saddened about the tragic event at Dreamworld. Please be informed that this ride was neither built by Intamin nor supplied by Intamin. We are therefore not in the position to make any comment. Our thoughts are with the families and friends of those affected."
 * --SmokeyJoe (talk) 04:17, 27 October 2016 (UTC)
 * I've removed that info myself from the Intamin page. There was a website 'Parkz' that apparently listed them as the manufacturer. They appear to have corrected that now.. Intamin do make the similar looking Roaring Rapids ride--220  of  Borg 09:26, 27 October 2016 (UTC)
 * According to its WP page the Congo River Rapids ride at Alton Towers in Staffordshire, England.is also made by Intamin, but the entire page is unsourced. 220  of  Borg 03:20, 31 October 2016 (UTC)

Mechanics of the accident
http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/news/national/dreamworld-deaths-ride-previously-shut-down/news-story/fc26918b83c58b095c795bcd34f1e815 provides illistrations of the mechanics of the accident. --SmokeyJoe (talk) 23:23, 25 October 2016 (UTC)


 * , this pic→ from the 'Congo River Rapids' page, may be of interest, though this ride is apparently NOT made by the manufacturer of the Thunder River Rapids Ride. Compare with this ABC (Australia) sourced pic of the actual incident aftermath. 220  of  Borg 03:44, 31 October 2016 (UTC)

Separate article about the disaster?
I feel due to the severity of the accident and the tragic fatalities is has resulted in, A separate article should be made on the incident. Does anyone agree with me/would be willing to help me?  ◄Sandshark 23►  talk♦contribs 06:26, 27 October 2016 (UTC)
 * No, there is not more substance to the severity and personal ramifications than belongs in the article, except for where the material would begin to be a privacy invasion of the victims. In time, technical reports will come out, and these may or may not produce a lot of material and further responses.  --SmokeyJoe (talk) 06:43, 27 October 2016 (UTC)
 * This issue is also being discussed at Talk:Dreamworld. Currently, the most detailed 'coverage' of this incident is on the Dreamworld page here. An IP did a copy/paste of that section to this page, which I reverted as it was unattributed.
 * • I raised the question at Talk:Dreamworld, about which page should be the 'main' page. Going on page views it should probably be here. This page went from an average of about 5 to 45, 000 views overnight, one of the greatest increase I have ever seen on WP. :-0
 * • Ardent Leisure is also related as they own the park. Last time I looked there was no mention of the incident there, though it may have a long term effect on their business. Their shares have already dropped significantly.
 * • Also listed at List of incidents at independent amusement parks --220  of  Borg 09:10, 27 October 2016 (UTC)
 * •Alright, cheers for the advice guys. Truly a tragic accident and my sympathies go out to the families involved.  ◄Sandshark 23►  talk♦contribs 10:47, 27 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Indent added above--220  of  Borg 15:52, 27 October 2016 (UTC)
 * I wasn't particularly giving 'advice', just laying out the situation and my opinion. Many times articles are started on relatively minor (non-notable) incidents, and then get re-directed/merged to a more general page, like a list of 'minor' terrorist attacks. If this incident has ongoing ramifications, major lawsuits, serious charges like negligence, law changes, Dreamworld goes 'bust' or closes as a result of the bad publicity, or similar, then it may be  WP:Notable enough for a stand-alone page. If more had died, unfortunately then it would be more 'notable'. It's possible that all Australian theme parks may now be subject to safety checks, and extra legislation, etc, which may increase notability.
 * • Notability (events) may be of interest.220  of  Borg 15:52, 27 October 2016 (UTC)

••  "Australian theme parks to undergo ‘safety blitz’" news.com.au, AAP. 29 October 2016.
 * Comment I suggested something similar at Talk:Dreamworld, but my more pressing concern was WP:undue space devoted to it there. With the bulk of the information here now, I feel that concern is appeased. Personally I am against creating a new article at this stage. It would probably pass WP:GNG, but I think it is sufficiently explained and linked at the moment. That may change in the future though. AIR corn (talk) 23:29, 28 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Government reactions are continuing, potential source:
 * Limited to Queensland at the moment. 220  of  Borg 05:41, 29 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Text about 'blitz' of safety checks added .--220  of  Borg 11:16, 29 October 2016 (UTC)

Related pages
Just want to point out all the pages that have a mention of this incident, for the purpose of ensuring each page is consistent with the others, which they may not be at present: I am largely responsible for adding the incident to the last 2 pages (hence links to my initial edits) feel free to check them for accuracy and consistency with the main page.
 * Thunder River Rapids Ride has become the main page (after first being covered most at Dreamworld, then 'moved' to that page) at 'Thunder River Rapids Ride'.
 * Dreamworld, at 'Dreamworld'.
 * Town of Gold Rush, the section of Dreamworld the ride was in, basic incident info and lk/s back to main article, at 'Town of Gold Rush'.
 * Ardent Leisure, the company that owns Dreamworld, basic incident info, emphasising the criticism Ardent and CEO Deborah Thomas have received, and the affect (so far) on the company. At 'Ardent Leisure'.


 * River rapids ride: info added at by  at 'River rapids ride'. (edited + page) 220  of  Borg 01:21, 31 October 2016 (UTC)

It was also added to Intamin in the mistaken belief that they were the ride manufacturers. When the correct manufacturer is discerned, it will likely go on that page too. So 4 5 pages right now, possibly 5 6 in the future? --220  of  Borg 13:39, 30 October 2016 (UTC) Corrected 220  of  Borg 01:21, 31 October 2016 (UTC)
 * + № 6) List of incidents at independent amusement parks --220  of  Borg 13:38, 2 November 2016 (UTC)

2018 news updates
I've added a new REF to the Incidents at independent parks article. Thought I'd share here in case anybody wasn't watching the INCIDENTS page also. SpikeJones (talk) 15:06, 30 June 2018 (UTC)

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