Talk:Tibor Rubin

NPOV
Once again...sigh...read it.

I mean "vicious" anti semite and was overlooked because of systematic anti-Semitism by his superiors.

Is there any proof? -- hello, i'm a member  |  talk to me!  02:35, 17 June 2006 (UTC)

You mean besides the "lengthy affidavits submitted by nearly a dozen men who served under him"? And the fact that Congress - presumably after considering evidence in committe - passed the Jewish War Veterans Act? How about the fact that the Secretary of the Army had to consider each medal awarded under the act individually (read the act)? It's not POV if it's established fact. -- goodbye, you're a moron  |  done talking to you!   Richard75 18:45, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

Your response is a personal attack unbecoming to this article. That the editor initiating the question app. hid his identity in no way excuses such behavior. The affidavits support anti-semitism by a single individual, not "systemic anti-Semitism"--the question is a valid one regarding the systemic reference. A citation was requested and is needed. If it's an established fact, then footnote it.--Buckboard 09:04, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

I'm not sure that it's "established fact" that Watson was an antisemite, or just the opinion of some of Rubin's buddies. It is particularly worrisome that these affidavits were apparently written years after Watson's death when they could not be refuted by him; in any case Watson's behavior was never a factor in the decision to award Rubin the Medal. I am not disputing that antisemitism did and still does occur in the military, but I have yet to find one other Wikipedia article about a MOH recipient that specifically calls out another service member for his antisemitism. The material for the Antisemitism was lifted almost verbatim from the article in the Jewish Journal referenced at the bottom of the article. Instead of just having the words rearranged to make it look like the editor's own words, it really needs to be properly quoted and footnoted. Also I question that publication's NPOV. Unfortunately, the Washington Post article is no longer available. HWAshton (talk) 22:00, 18 July 2011 (UTC)

WikiProject class rating
This article was automatically assessed because at least one WikiProject had rated the article as start, and the rating on other projects was brought up to start class. BetacommandBot 16:30, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

Post From Article V. Watson's Stepson?
I came across this post at military.com's forums from user "joerusso2" posted on Wed 15 July 2009 08:21 AM. Personally I place much more stock in the vetting by the staff responsible for reviewing Medal of Honor submissions, as well as in the affidavits of Corporal Tibor Rubin's fellow servicemen. I also understand that Joe Russo is likely justifiably loyal to family. I post this for sake of possible interest. Krellkraver (talk) 20:10, 8 August 2009 (UTC)

What did he do after the war?
As far as the article is concerned, Rubin disappears from the historical record between the Korean War and 2005. What did he do after getting out of the military? Any information about his life in the intervening 55 years would be interesting to include. Beorhtwulf (talk) 22:20, 28 February 2011 (UTC)


 * We have since had a snippet added about him working in a liquor store and living in California. This may have to do. Beorhtwulf (talk) 12:14, 9 March 2017 (UTC)

Alleged?
From the article it seems curious that the word alleged should be present. From the video at http://www.greatamericans.com/video/Portraits-of-Valor-Tibor-Rubin It seems that even if the Sergeant did not think he was being anti-Semitic his actions seem to clearly indicate a pattern consistent with that designation. Synapse001 (talk) 18:00, 9 February 2012 (UTC)


 * Good point. I changed the text like this. That 2nd sentence is long and a bit clunky, so maybe someone can do better? Cheers, CWC 15:58, 10 February 2012 (UTC)

Feb 2014
I've just come across a 12-minute video about Mr Rubin on YouTube (plus this recent photo). AFAICT, the video was posted to YouTube by the people who made it.

Do Wikipedia's rules allow us to use the video as an external link? Or even as a source? I don't have the time to work out these details, so I'll just post the link for someone more energetic to decide how to use it. Cheers, CWC 11:16, 20 February 2014 (UTC)

External links etc
I have recently created a subsection of External Links for videos, and moved all the videos link in the article there.

I also made some other edits. In doing so, I noticed that many of the External Links are dead, and others would be better placed as refs in the article body. Here's a list with my comments.

''Later comments (in italics): what I've now done with each EL. CWC 05:11, 12 December 2014 (UTC)''


 * Jewish Vet Gets Medal of Honor 55 Years On, a September 23, 2005 article in the Washington Post
 * This was an Associated Press story dated 23-Sep-2005 by Erica Werner. (Googling for “"Jewish Vet Gets Medal of Honor 55 Years On"” led me to this hard-to-read page which identifies the item as "By ERICA WERNER AP September 23 2005 WASHINGTON AP".) However, the best available copy I found, http://crownheights.info/general/656/jewish-vet-gets-medal-of-honor-55-years-on/, does not mention the AP or Ms Werner.
 * Now cited.


 * NEW: President Honors a Hero of the Korean War Josh White, The Washington Post, September 24, 2005
 * Found when searching for previous item; might be useful as a ref
 * Now an EL. Should be cited or deleted -- which?


 * Army Public Affairs Office press release on September 22, 2005
 * Dead link
 * Deleted


 * Remarks by President Bush (September 23, 2005)
 * Redundant? C/f http://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov/news/releases/2005/09/20050923-2.html which is currently ref 1
 * Deleted


 * Korean War Veteran Awarded Medal of Honor, from American Forces Information Service
 * Dead link
 * Deleted


 * Prescott eNews Tibor Rubin: An Evening of Remembrance
 * Now at http://www.prescottenews.com/index.php/news/current-news/item/14113-tibor-rubin-an-evening-of-remembrance
 * Now cited.


 * Prescott eNews Corporal Tibor Rubin visits the VA Medical Center in Prescott
 * Now at http://www.prescottenews.com/index.php/news/current-news/item/14875-corporal-tibor-rubin-visits-the-va-medical-center-in-prescott
 * Now cited


 * Mudville Gazette Ted Rubin, American Hero
 * Dead link
 * Deleted


 * Jewish Journal Pentagon Reviews Jewish Veteran Files Were Tibor Rubin and 137 other soldiers denied the Medal of Honor because of anti-Semitism? May 17, 2002
 * Probably should be cited in article, not an EL
 * Now cited


 * Congressional Resolution re Tibor Rubin
 * Probably should be cited in article, not an EL
 * Didn't pass!
 * Deleted


 * Leonard Kravitz Jewish War Veterans Act of 2001
 * Maybe cite in article? Not a good EL
 * Didn't pass!
 * Deleted


 * Tibor Rubin: An Unusual Hero of The Korean War
 * Hmm. Is this source wiki-reliable?
 * Left alone for now. Should we delete it?


 * An American Hero by Beth Reece
 * Already cited in article, so should not be an EL
 * Deleted from ELs


 * Medal of Honor recipient just did duty by Nguyen Huy Vu, The Orange County Register, October 18, 2005 - Mr. Rubin recommends not harboring hatred even with all his suffering and loss: "If you feel hate for your fellow man ... you'll only hurt yourself..."
 * Probably should be cited in article, not an EL
 * Now cited

Cheers -- CWC 05:11, 12 December 2014 (UTC)

''There are still several uncited things in the article which can easily by cited using the existing references, but I need to go and have a life now. CWC 05:11, 12 December 2014 (UTC)''

Tibor Rubin
Tibor Rubin was awarded the Medal of Honor for heroism during the Korean War. The primary source of his actions is a book entitled "Single Handed" by Daniel M. Cohen. He gives the name of the anti-Semitic sergeant as Arthur Peyton, which you (Wikipedia) use. His real name is Artice V. Watson. Mr. Cohen confirms this. He changed the name deliberately in order to protect Watson's family, which I have no idea where they are nor any desire to contact let alone harass them. Mr. Watson died November 1989. This is from Google: "Aug 17, 2015 — Army Bulletin Board Results - ARTICE V. WATSON - Korean War Project. ... master sergeant' s name was Arthur Peyton and not Watson ..." I suggest you either contact Mr. Cohen as I did or research it further. The incorrect name of Mr. Tibor's antagonizer is listed for all to see and should be changed ASAP. Thank you. 2601:CF:4500:AC40:CC9E:C94A:31B:9824 (talk) 22:25, 25 August 2023 (UTC)