Talk:Tic disorder

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Contradiction
it says that tics r not due to a medical condition but for that girl that cant stop sneezing they say thats a tic and is due to a medical condition.????

not due to the effects of MEDICATION. learn to read. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.226.247.157 (talk) 18:40, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

Copyright problems with diagnostic criteria
The American Psychiatric Association has not released its Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders into public domain, but claims copyright. The Wikimedia Foundation has received a letter of complaint (2010030910040817, for those with access) about the use of their diagnostic criteria in this and a number of other articles. Currently, this content is blanked pending investigation, which will last approximately one week. Please feel free to provide input at the copyright problems board listing during that time. Individuals with access to the books would be particularly welcome in helping to conduct the investigation. Assistance developing a plan to prevent misuse of the APA's material on Wikipedia projects would also be welcome. Thank you. Moonriddengirl (talk) 14:03, 11 March 2010 (UTC)
 * It looks like they got overzealous and submitted every DSM condition ... no copyvio here that I can find, and I'm not even going to waste my time, since somebody goofed. We've been dealing with this for a very long time at WT:MED, making sure article understand the DSM copyright..  I'd like the article back, unless someone can point out where the copyvio is. The disputed text appears to be:


 * Transient tic disorder consists of multiple motor and/or phonic tics with duration of at least 4 weeks, but less than 12 months.
 * Chronic tic disorder is either single or multiple motor or phonic tics, but not both, which are present for more than a year.
 * Tourette's disorder is diagnosed when both motor and phonic tics are present for more than a year.
 * Tic Disorder NOS is diagnosed when tics are present, but do not meet the criteria for any specific tic disorder.

Tic disorders onset in childhood (before the age of 18), and are not due to the effects of medication or another medical condition.


 * Need a copy of the DSM. Sandy Georgia  (Talk) 22:02, 11 March 2010 (UTC)


 * Unfortunately, I don't have one. :/ Mike Godwin has taken over this ticket, and now that it's in the legal queue I can't see it anymore. But as I indicated at the WP:CP listing, I'll follow up and see what we should do on our end about this if we don't hear something. According to one reviewer at CP, there wasn't duplication at one of the articles, just usable paraphrasing. --Moonriddengirl (talk) 22:06, 11 March 2010 (UTC)


 * Thanks, MRG, I'm still trying to track this down, but since I don't even own a copy of the DSM, I couldn't have taken text from there ... my source for that text was here; still working on it. Sandy Georgia  (Talk) 22:11, 11 March 2010 (UTC)


 * Nah, I don't have time to chase this wild goose; since I know I didn't lift text from the DSM, and I know I summarized and defined these myself, I'm going to wait until someone who has a copy of the DSM just deals with this. Thanks again, MRG !  Sandy Georgia  (Talk) 22:13, 11 March 2010 (UTC)

Ambiguity
"Tourette's disorder is diagnosed when both motor and phonic tics are present for more than a year."

I don't think it's clear whether this is saying someone has Tourette's after a year of tics, or that after a year of tics a test for Tourette's is done. Thoughts?

(sorry if i did this wrong, new to this)

-speaker — Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.54.182.194 (talk) 13:42, 23 June 2011 (UTC)

Tourette/Tourette's
I'm not sure about the rest of the world, but in the United States, Tourette syndrome is the correct name of the condition, just like 'Down syndrome.' This standardization has been chosen because the doctor who first identified the condition does not own it - thus the pussesive 'Tourette's' is not gramatically correct. The names are given to honor the first person who defined the condtion, and thus their surname is used as a label. Wikipedia itself uses both Tourette syndrome and Down syndrome.

Also, it is more accurate to say that Tourette syndrome is a tic disorder than to use the term Tourette's disorder. Tourette syndrome is the name of the condition - it is classified as a tic disorder.

Having said that, you will still find 'Tourette's' used in the scientific literature. This does not change the fact that the usage is incorrect. MarkinBoston (talk) 19:22, 14 September 2012 (UTC)


 * There's a lot of bollocks written on the internet and scientific publications about possessive forms of eponymous diseases. In practice it comes down to whether the "'s" gets elided in speech. For example, "Tourette's syndrome" sounds identical to "Tourette syndrome" unless one is speaking very carefully. Compare Alzheimer's disease. The shorthand "Tourette's" and "Alzheimer's" are not grammatically incorrect. Any attempt to rationalise this sort of natural language change is a kind of false etymology.
 * These sort of things should be worried about only by those who care that "Popping down to Sainsbury's" is correct and "Shopping at Tesco's" is not :-) Colin°Talk 20:45, 14 September 2012 (UTC)

There needs to be much more information
There needs to be much more information this article. This article is far from complete. As someone with a tic disorder myself I would love to learn more about them. I am particularly interested in the treatment of them although the article did not say anything about the treatment other than that it is similar to treatment of Tourette Syndrome. I would also like to know more about what experts think may cause tic disorders. This article is severely deficient in information to sum it up and it desperately needs to be expanded. I feel that many people would benefit from an expanded article so that way they could learn about it. There is a lot of misinformation and misunderstanding out there. Believe me, I am constantly having to explain to people that I shrug my shoulders repeatedly because of a tic disorder. I really wish there were greater awareness out there about it and I think a Wikipedia article might help with that. — Preceding unsigned comment added by AveMaria02 (talk • contribs) 07:37, 8 August 2013 (UTC)

POV
Per discussion at too many places to name, I have removed the POV video from the infobox, and do not believe it belongs in the article because of that POV. See WT:MED, User talk:Jimbo Wales, and Osmosis/Issues. In the year 2000, the requirement for "significant distress or impairment" in Tourette syndrome was removed from the DSM, in recognition that the majority of people with TS are not impaired or distressed. Since 2006, I have kept the POV words, "suffer from" out of the TS suite of articles. Sandy Georgia (Talk)  17:36, 28 March 2018 (UTC)

Clarification request
, could you please better explain your request here, regarding this? I am not understanding what you want clarified, and a medical citation is provided, so don't know why a medical citation needed tag is added. Thanks! Sandy Georgia (Talk)  22:44, 25 September 2018 (UTC)
 * I misunderstood the citation to apply only to the treatment and not the claim that treatment was not needed. Your change corrected the issue I had with the text. Before it read as though there were two conflicting treatment approaches, one of which was unsourced. Thanks. ParticipantObserver (talk) 19:19, 26 September 2018 (UTC)