Talk:Tiffany Trump/Archive 1

New section
It is very frustrating to click the link on marla maples wiki for her daughter tiffany, only to be redirected to Donald trumps page. If Tiffany doesn't have a page then don't redirect to Donald's page.

So delete the link? Avocats (talk) 06:33, 22 July 2016 (UTC)

GPA
The campaign has circulated the claim that she had "all A's" and a 4.0 at Penn. Can anyone verify that claim? She would be summa cum laude under the Wharton standard if that were so. Avocats (talk) 06:35, 22 July 2016 (UTC)

Redirecting
I think this article should once again be a redirect. The entirety of the article is that she is the daughter of two notable people. That information can be entirely covered on the pages for both of her parents. Knope7 (talk) 03:11, 12 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Agreed. Bondegezou (talk) 10:17, 12 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Agreed. Avocats (talk) 06:32, 22 July 2016 (UTC)

So I do not understand the goal of deleting. If the page was shorter, I would understand, as it would not need it own page. But, the page size is large enough to stand on it own.Telecine Guy 18:05, 27 June 2016 (UTC)
 * (Chelsea Clinton has her own page, why not delete it and redirect to Hillary?)

Nothing to do with LENGTH of page but rather utter dearth of notability. Avocats (talk) 06:32, 22 July 2016 (UTC)
 * If content would be moved to Donald Trump (the most logical option given between her parents because she is primarily known because of him), that article would be even more massive than it already is (280 kB currently). WP:SIZESPLIT suggests splitting above 100 kB in general. Gap9551 (talk) 19:26, 23 July 2016 (UTC)

No. She is speaking because she is the daughter of a famous person. Avocats (talk) 06:32, 22 July 2016 (UTC)
 * She is speaking at the RNC Convention, debate done. Telecine Guy 19:53, 14 July 2016 (UTC)


 * And Catherine Middleton appears at various public events because she is the wife of a famous person. Should her Wikipedia page be folded into that of her husband?  You may decry the extent to which contemporary culture is celebrity-obsessed, but the media coverage of Tiffany Trump establishes her notability. JamesMLane t c 04:47, 23 July 2016 (UTC)

Heiress
Don't get me wrong I really wish she was an heiress but as it stands she hasn't inherited anything and Donald trump is not wealthy. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:8084:2840:1100:806F:5235:9989:97AB (talk) 16:49, 4 July 2016 (UTC)

I agree--she cannot inherit without Trump's death. Besides, the descriptor "heiress" is as stupid as "socialite." What's next? Twitterer?Avocats (talk) 06:30, 22 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Our own definition of "heiress" is "one who stands to inherit" not "one who has inherited." LavaBaron (talk) 15:21, 22 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Although that may be the technical definition of the noun "heiress," it does not explain why it would be listed as an occupation (a pursuit in which someone is engaged, usually for livelihood). She is not engaged in being an heiress any more than my kids are engaged in being "life insurance recipients." It is also different than Prince William being a prince. He is actively engaged in the activities associated with ascending to the throne. Her work appears to be largely in celebrity appearances and social network celebrity. This would seem to make her a minor celebrity, no? 166.94.13.10 (talk) 17:47, 12 September 2016 (UTC)

Notability
I would seriously question the notability of this young person. She is not a "Singer" - anyone with enough money can record a song in a commercial studio. She is not a "fashion model". And she is not an "internet celebrity". Furthermore the last category should be banned form Wikipedia, as it is too vacuous.Royalcourtier (talk) 02:55, 24 July 2016 (UTC)
 * The place to seriously question notability is WP:AFD, Royalcourtier. Questioning it here is as useful as driving down Route 13 at 70 mph yelling "I question the notability of Tiffany Trump!" out the window. LavaBaron (talk) 17:51, 24 July 2016 (UTC)


 * Aw, come on, she's famous... Sort of a modern day Phineas_Gage. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.1.207.4 (talk) 20:08, 6 August 2016 (UTC)


 * There's an entire New York Times profile on her. http://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/02/fashion/tiffany-the-other-trump.html. There is no doubt that this qualifies as notable.2A00:23C4:FCFD:700:69EF:D6C0:5777:7B3A (talk) 01:36, 15 October 2016 (UTC)

Net worth
Where does this $10.87 million net worth figure come from? For starters, the idea that ANYONE including herself can estimate her net worth to the nearest $10,000 is preposterous. Second, she is a potential heir to a multi-billion dollar privately held fortune. Nobody except a few lawyers/accountants would know what trusts, etc .. are already in her name. $10 million does seem EXTREMELY low, however, given the tax advantages of pre-gifting an estate. And lastly, there is no citation (this is the most important from Wikipedia's standards). Removed this figure.2A00:23C4:FCFD:700:69EF:D6C0:5777:7B3A (talk) 01:36, 15 October 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 15 October 2016
Please remove the $10.87 million net worth figure. It is uncited, sounds unrealistically precise (anyone owning even a single illiquid asset, like a small single-family house) couldn't know their net worth to the last $10,000, and also seems unrealistically low.

2A00:23C4:FCFD:700:69EF:D6C0:5777:7B3A (talk) 01:38, 15 October 2016 (UTC)


 * Done. Thank you for mentioning that. AJFU  02:38, 15 October 2016 (UTC)

Birthplace
Tiffany Trump was actually born at St. Mary's Hospital on 45th St in West Palm Beach FL. My son was born in the same birthing suite days later. Rita10131965 (talk) 03:00, 15 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Thank you for bringing this up. I have corrected the birthplace. AJFU  03:34, 15 October 2016 (UTC)

Measurements
It says she is a model. Does anyone know her height, measurements, category and type of modeling that she did, as well as, compensation or fee, agency, etc.? I see money talk. That's not interesting to me in relation to her career. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2604:2000:E94B:5C00:9D4B:5B:22BA:381A (talk) 07:57, 23 October 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 9 November 2016
Edit the elect President to President

Imdineshsaini (talk) 08:39, 9 November 2016 (UTC)

❌ He's not the president yet. President elect is correct. Meters (talk) 08:49, 9 November 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 20 December 2016
Add on the top of the article. 221.126.236.94 (talk) 04:45, 20 December 2016 (UTC)
 * ✅ —  DRAGON BOOSTER  ★  06:21, 20 December 2016 (UTC).

Net Worth
Tiffany Trump has a net worth of about 10 million US-dollar. (source: http://www.celebritynetworth.com/richest-celebrities/singers/tiffany-trump-net-worth/) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.208.6.10 (talk) 17:48, 18 November 2016 (UTC)
 * celebritynetworth.com is not a reliable source. Linguist  Moi?  Moi.  17:51, 18 November 2016 (UTC)
 * It is improbable that she has any considerable wealth. She is a recent university graduate who has had no notable career.Royalcourtier (talk) 20:58, 14 January 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 21 January 2017
Please change "the daughter of the..." to "a daughter of the...". He has two daughters. 86.164.29.17 (talk) 13:51, 21 January 2017 (UTC) What it says is "She is the daughter of .... Donald Trump, and his second wife Marla Maples". They only had one child - Tiffany - so she is the daughter. The article on Ivanka Trump mirrors that statement "She is the daughter of .... Donald Trump and his first wife, former model Ivana Trump. - Arjayay (talk) 18:13, 21 January 2017 (UTC)

Internet personality
Tiffany is the daughter of a prominent businessman. She is not an internet personality. Nor does she have sufficient notability to justify an article dedicated to her. The recent trend to create pages for every child of a US president is unjustified.Royalcourtier (talk) 21:00, 14 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Disagree. She is very popular on social media as part of the "Rich Kids of Instagram" group. She also released a song in 2014, before her father began running for president. Considering the multiple secondary sources that discuss her presence on the Internet (Business Insider, The New York Times) prior to Trump's presidential campaign I believe that makes her sufficiently notable to be considered an Internet personality. Werónika (talk) 21:44, 14 January 2017 (UTC)


 * Agree. Other than releasing a song ranked 385,887th most popular on Amazon Prime's download in 2016, what is she known for? Nothing. Do all of the other singers who ranked above her have Wikipedia pages? Certainly Not. Why is she here then? One reason. She's the daughter of Donald Trump and Marla Maples - period. No doubt, this "encyclopedic" article will remain as a testament to what uneducated Wikipedia editors deem as encyclopedic and the shortcomings of this site. The fact that she is included here speaks more about the problems with Wikipedia than it does of the notability of the subject of this article. For the record. Veritycheck✔️ (talk) 20:43, 21 January 2017 (UTC)

internet personality reads like not enough personality for the real world. She's a publicity victim of her fathers success, that's all.--77.187.16.98 (talk) 20:34, 16 February 2017 (UTC)


 * I Agree as well. I even think the section "Instagram User" is not warranted. It is neither a profession, nor a notable skill. Many well-known people are active on Instagram and have way more followers, yet their Instagram-usage is often not noted on their Wikipedia entries. Therefore this section only exists on Tiffany Trump's entry, because there is a lack of any other notable distinctions. Her family relation is by far the main factor for why she is know and why she has a Wikipedia entry (which she should). But her Instagram activity is slightly above average at best and wouldn't be notable enough to warrant an entry alone, if she wasn't President Trump's daughter. MoryVanderbuilt (talk) 22:50, 9 October 2017 (UTC)

Political party
The infobox on Tiffany's page says she is a member of the Republican party. What sourcing was used for this? Yes her dad is a Republican but I don't think it is entirely appropriate to assume she is as well. Thoughts? Oriole7 (talk) 17:52, 18 April 2017 (UTC)
 * I removed it as it was unsourced. If someone was willing to look at her voter registration they could find out, note she is registered in both Pennsylvania and New York, but I think that might be covered under WP:BLPPRIMARY. -- Emir of Wikipedia (talk) 10:01, 10 October 2017 (UTC)
 * This does indicate she is a registered Republican in PA but not NY. -  C HAMPION  (talk) (contributions) (logs) 23:53, 10 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Actually it might have been fake news that she was registered in both.. Now that we have a reliable source should we restore the information with a citation? Emir of Wikipedia (talk) 08:36, 11 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Looks good to reinstate. PvOberstein (talk) 17:33, 11 October 2017 (UTC)

✅ Emir of Wikipedia (talk) 19:23, 11 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Why wouldn't she register Republican, so that she could vote for her father? It doesn't mean that she identifies as a Republican. A lot of people register for a party that they may not usually identify with to support a specific candidate, as certain states force you to do so in the primaries, so that you receive a party ballot. In fact, the little I have seen, she seems to be fairly liberal in her worldview (no source of her *stating* that she is a Republican though, that I know of).

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Model?
The lead section states the subject is a model, but that's not even mentioned once in the body of the article. Should this be in the lead? For what companies has she modeled? --Kbabej (talk) 21:55, 16 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Don't know how I missed she modeled in NYFW once. Strike above concern. --Kbabej (talk) 16:01, 18 May 2019 (UTC)

Bastard
This word was removed by an IP who I will notify of this discussion, but this word was reverted by. Please discuss here before editing. --Emir of Wikipedia (talk) 15:06, 26 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Another IP removed this and their edit was accepted by . -- Emir of Wikipedia (talk) 15:25, 26 July 2020 (UTC)
 * , I think we can probably retain the meaning of the sentence without using such an emotively charged word as 'bastard', particularly as it was piped. Regardless of the technical correctness of the word, I think we would draw unnecessary disruption by retaining it. Darren-M   talk  15:43, 26 July 2020 (UTC)
 * I see no reason why "bastard" should be removed or replaced, We should not replace old-English terms just to please the snowflakes, Sure bastard can also mean "an unpleasant or despicable person" but I'm pretty sure everyone would know that meaning isn't what's being used here. – Davey 2010 Talk 16:57, 26 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Please discuss here. --Emir of Wikipedia (talk) 17:09, 26 July 2020 (UTC)
 * The term "bastard" is unnecessary as at the end of the same sentence it states that she was born "two months before her parents legally married". So it's clear that she was born an illegitimate child. I agree with and . So now there are three editors against using the term "bastard" and one for it. Factfanatic1 (talk) 17:15, 26 July 2020 (UTC)
 * FYI this works on consensus not !votes incase you forgot, But sure given it was only added a few days ago and hadn't been added like years and years ago I see no reason why it should be included. I simply thought the term had been there forever but apparently not. – Davey 2010 Talk 17:19, 26 July 2020 (UTC)


 * This has now been raised at Biographies of living persons/Noticeboard. --Emir of Wikipedia (talk) 17:22, 26 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Unless I'm missing something consensus was to not include the phrase with myself agreeing to that in light of the fact the term wasn't here to begin with ? ....... – Davey 2010 Talk 17:29, 26 July 2020 (UTC)
 * All four editors here have agreed to NOT use the term "bastard", thus we have reached a consensus, so it's unnecessary to escalate this to Biographies of living persons/Noticeboard. If you could either delete it from the noticeboard or make an edit stating that a consensus was reached, that'd be great. Factfanatic1 (talk) 17:32, 26 July 2020 (UTC)
 * I've gone ahead and removed the thread as everyone there simply chose not to bother reading my reply there and IMHO it was causing more dramah than good. – Davey 2010 Talk 17:56, 26 July 2020 (UTC)

Is it correct to call Tiffany Trump a socialite & lead section?
Is socialite the proper term to use? In the lead section, should it be mentioned that she was a former singer and model even though she never became famous as either, but for merely being the daughter of the president and her online profile, namely her Instagram? Should she be called an internet personality instead? I was just curious as to your thoughts. Factfanatic1 (talk) 19:47, 26 July 2020 (UTC)
 * She's more notable for being the daughter of Trump than anything else. Hollth (talk) 09:35, 15 August 2020 (UTC)

Error in article
Under section “personal life”:

“ Trump is a frequent poster on, where she has 1.2 million followers as of September 2020.”

The word “Instagram” is missing. I can’t add it because the page is locked. Edited by james (talk) 03:58, 7 November 2020 (UTC)
 * The word seems to be there now. Thanks. Larry Hockett (Talk) 04:01, 7 November 2020 (UTC)

Opening sentence
I don't think "conspiracy theorist" is on par with "president" in a description of Donald Trump. Although it is evident that he is a conspiracy theorist, "media personality" or "businessman" would certainly be more appropriate. Osticleman (talk) 19:48, 7 January 2021 (UTC)

Five years on
Eight, and then five, years ago a significant proportion of editors held strongly that the subject was notable in her own right, as they evidenced by significant RS coverage devoted to her (particularly on aspects that demonstrated her notability in WP terms), and contrary to suggestions that WP:NOTINHERITED applied. It is amazing to me that despite all that proper debate, and despite the passage of time, the summary of the whole article in the Lead tells nothing at all of her independent notability, and makes no summary of the article itself, directly contrary to MOS:LEAD: It should identify the topic, establish context, explain why the topic is notable, and summarize the most important points, including any prominent controversies. The notability of the article's subject is usually established in the first few sentences.

All it says is that she was born, and that both of her parents are notable. Davidships (talk) 23:06, 10 December 2021 (UTC)