Talk:Tiger shark/Archive 1

Template
Shouldn't the list of shark species be made into a template? Babajobu 11:17, 2 October 2005 (UTC)

Clean-up needed for this article
I don't know how much the contributors of this page read the articles for other shark species. Let me enlighten you. Some are absolutely top-drawer, first-class work (e.g. Oceanic Whitetip Shark& Great White Shark). Others, like this one really stink; however, Bull shark is worse. Kind of reminds me of a guy from Alabama that I once knew, all he ever said was "Mississippi's worse". Hokeman 04:48, 21 March 2006 (UTC)
 * This article has improved to the point where it doesn't stink anymore. --Hokeman 00:22, 7 April 2006 (UTC)


 * I've added an image, but I can't decide which one I like seeing up there better: "scarface-tigershark.jpg" or "scarface-tigershark2.jpg"... the first one is cleaner, but the second more dramatic. -- pterantula 12 June 2007
 * So lets add both! :-) Stefan 23:12, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Stefan, you replaced my image. I have no problem about that.  But can you move that incredible new image to the Commons please?  This will allow people to tag it with common categories so that it appear in category pages reachable from the wikipedia article (from the link to commons in the External Links section). Fred Hsu 00:14, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
 * I added the old image back to the anatomy section temporarily, until we find a better full-body image. I gave the image a better title.  Feel free to remove it again if you feel strongly about it.  After all, you have been cleaning this article lately and have a better sense about how you want to further improve it in future. Fred Hsu 00:29, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Hum, I do not have a user on commons, I have been wating for unified usernames for a looooong time, will try to grab my en username on commons, if I can just remember how to request for that. Stefan 01:58, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Lets keep that image, it actually fits ok in the article so it does not harm anyone, sorry for removing it! Stefan 02:00, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
 * I did not realize you can 'grab' a name. Are you serious? ;)  Another advantage of adding image to the commons is that wiki from other languages can easily reuse the same image.  I really have no problem with my image being replaced.  I have rewritten other people's articles and replaced other people's images in the past.  Wikipedia needs better images, in general, and we shouldn't be afraid to replace existing images with better ones :) Fred Hsu 01:14, 14 June 2007 (UTC)
 * You can grab (or at least request to get) a username that is created but not used, i.e. have no edits, 'mine' had no edits so was ok, you can not grab a username that us created and used. See last section about usurpation. I have now created a user and gotten it renamed and uploaded all images that user:Pterantula have uploaded to commons, except the new larger size Image:Whiteshark-TGoss5b.jpg which should really replace Image:Whiteshark-TGoss5.jpg on commons, but I'm not allowed to do this since my commons user is to new, either you do it or I wait a few days, not sure how long it is on commons, think it is 4 days on en. Stefan 14:04, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

This article says that Great Whites are responsible for the most human fatalities, while the Oceanic Whitetip article claims that that shark outpaces all other species combined in regards to deadliness to humans. I'm no biologist or zoologist, but this seems like it should be rectified? Anyone know for sure which view is correct? Ghamming 13:47, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

The article shows several photos of a tiger shark, which are taken at Kas, antalya, Turkey. I dived many times in that area, but did not see any tiger shark. I have checked the source of those pictures, http://www.ryanphotographic.com/gcuvier.htm. It clearly indicates, that the pictures are taken at bahamas. So the picture information on several pictures should be corrected. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Hozkan (talk • contribs) 14:38, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

In the section "Dangers and conservation," this unintelligible sentence occurs: "A large tiger shark is seen killed and hung the movie presumably matching the size and bite pattern of the shark which attacked Hamilton." Presumably it is in reference to a recent movie based on the Bethany Hamilton shark attack, but that isn't overtly stated, nor is the sentence properly formed.giggle 18:40, 20 June 2011 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gregory.george.lewis (talk • contribs)

Questions
I love tiger sharks —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 65.31.100.211 (talk • contribs). that was really uncalled for. this paragraph is for questions only. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.185.79.111 (talk) 23:44, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

I thought that the nr1 in casualties was the ocean white tip shark and not the great white: "Famed oceanographic researcher Jacques Cousteau described the oceanic whitetip as "the most dangerous of all sharks".[14] Despite the greater notoriety of the great white shark and other sharks habitually found nearer the shore, the oceanic whitetip is considered responsible for more fatal attacks on humans than all other species combined, as a result of predation on those shipwrecked or from aircraft downed in the open ocean.[7] These incidents are not included in common shark-attack indices for the 20th and 21st centuries, but would appear to total in the thousands worldwide, with one incident alone, the torpedoing of USS Indianapolis on July 30, 1945, giving a minimum figure of between 60 and 80 sailors killed by sharks.[1] Also during World War II, the Nova Scotia, a steamship carrying approximately 1,000 people near South Africa was torpedoed and sunk by a German submarine. There were only 192 survivors, and many deaths were attributed to the oceanic whitetip shark.[2]

From: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oceanic_whitetip_shark

Size
The article reads, "but there have been confirmed specimens as large as 6.4 m (21.5 ft)", is there any actual source with more information on this giant specimen? I have never heard of a verified find of a specimen larger than 5.5 m. Luka 08:39, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
 * I can not find any reference for that, lets remove that statement until a good reference is found. Stefan 22:26, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

Hawai'ian Laws?
"It is illegal to feed sharks in Hawaii and any interaction with them such as cage diving is discouraged." This cannot be true, as I've done cage 'diving' (with galapagos and sandbar sharks) off the coast of Oahu's North Shore (Hale'iwa), and there is more than one company doing this. The sharks are fed scraps of food off the stern of the boat. Pterantula 17:09, 14 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Well speeding is illegal also, but I must confess that I have done that once or twice :-) I guess you took Jimmy Hall's Hawaii Shark Encounter Tours? See, and so on, just do a google search. Stefan 23:47, 14 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Added better ref to actual page see . Stefan 23:55, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

Weight range
Someone keeps modifying the weight range without proper reference: first time and second time. The two previous source clearly indicated that the normal range of this animal is 850 to 1400 lb. And one reference talked about a possible 2000 lb one. The anonymous editor destroyed previous reference in the first attempt and replaced it with a broken reference in the second attempt. The newly added reference also pointed out:

"The adult tiger commonly reaches lengths of 10–14 ft, weighing 850–1400 lbs. The largest specimens have been known to reach 17–18 ft and to weigh 2,000 lbs."

That the tallest human, Leonid Stadnyk, is 2.58m tall doesn't mean we should we should use 2.58m as the second number in the average height range of human. I am reverting the second attempt at changing this article. Fred Hsu 02:01, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

Tiger shark is not second-largest predatory shark
Opening sentence is wrong. The bluntnose six-gill, Pacific sleeper and Greenland sharks are larger predatory sharks, approaching or exceeding the size of the largest white sharks in terms of length, weight- see their wikipedia pages.152.23.73.175 (talk) —Preceding undated comment was added at 21:13, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

Image:Tiger shark Antalya bitting camera.jpg‎ and Image:Tiger shark in Mediterranean Sea, Antalya Kaş.jpg
The article shows several photos of a tiger shark, which are taken at Kas, antalya, Turkey. I dived many times in that area, but did not see any tiger shark. I have checked the source of those pictures, http://www.ryanphotographic.com/gcuvier.htm. It clearly indicates, that the pictures are taken at bahamas. So the picture information on several pictures should be corrected. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Hozkan (talk • contribs) 14:38, 14 July 2008 (UTC)
 * It is questionable if these pictures have a valid license, see http://www.ryanphotographic.com/ which is the source. I have asked the uploader User_talk:Nemera on his talk page but am very busy IRL. --Stefan talk 00:26, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Likewise, the range map doesn't show anywhere in the Mediterranean being within this shark's natural habitat. Something here is a tad awry. 83.104.127.226 (talk) 16:03, 16 July 2008 (UTC)
 * I replaced/removed the pictures. --Stefan talk 13:48, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

Unreferanced Bias Agaisnt Sharks
I've removed this section because it provides no evidence, but general evidence abotu sharks says the complete opposite.

"It is notorious for attacks on swimmers, divers and surfers in Hawaii. Recent studies on tiger shark migration have suggested that individual tiger sharks will repeatedly attack humans, sometimes coming to the same beach at the same time each year." —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.154.84.140 (talk) 08:13, 13 February 2009 (UTC)

Shark attacks
The oceanic whitetip shark article claims that the species is "a danger to survivors of oceanic shipwrecks and downed aircraft — it has attacked more humans than all other shark species combined." The tiger shark article claims that the species is "second only to the great white shark in number of recorded attacks on humans." I haven't checked to see what the great white shark article claims. So which is it? Either one of the articles needs to be reworded or clarified or the statistics are wrong. --98.232.98.144 (talk) 04:23, 10 August 2009 (UTC)
 * I would be more afraid of a tiger shark than an oceanic whitetip shark, because although they are about the same length, I think tiger sharks are more muscular and would have less trouble killing and eating someone. Also, tiger sharks are more widely feared than oceanic whitetips. --The High Fin Sperm Whale (Talk • Contribs) 02:38, 8 January 2010 (UTC)

Lead needs cleaning
Seems to be a lot of repetition....the fact that they're predators is mentioned twice (the second seems redundant as the section describes the prey it eats). Additionally, its name/striping relationship is mentioned twice. In general the lead seems like it is a series of facts written by different authors (lacking some citations..) without unifying flow. I didn't want to step on any toes, so I thought I'd suggest it be rewritten here before I took a crack at it.Jbower47 (talk) 21:01, 13 August 2010 (UTC)


 * Go ahead and be bold and make whatever changes you find necessary. If anyone objects, they'll revert them and we can discuss here. All the best, Jess talk&#124;edits 21:07, 13 August 2010 (UTC)

Will do, just wanted to make sure I wasn't stepping on toes:)Jbower47 (talk) 21:09, 13 August 2010 (UTC)

Okay, I cleaned up the lead and moved non sequitur specific facts to their proper section in the document. I moved things around, so read the whole thing..it 's probably still there, just in a different location to have better flow.Jbower47 (talk) 21:41, 13 August 2010 (UTC)

—Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.225.62.218 (talk) 09:43, 13 October 2010 (UTC)

Biology - ampullae of Lorenzini
I think there may be some confusion, or the text may need clarification, in relationship to the ampullae of Lorenzini. The structures detect bioelectrical energy. The statement that these are used to detect small muscle movements, I think, may be either confusing the a. of L. with a shark's lateral line (which aids in detecting minute disturbances/vibration). The a. of L. detect bioelectrical fields in general, not necessarily related to a certain class of muscle movements.Jbower47 (talk) 21:01, 13 August 2010 (UTC)


 * Being bold:), I rewrote aspects of the Biology, range, and diet sections. There were some items that needed clarification (function of a. of L. as stated above)( and some additions (the lateral line, etc). Tried not to mess too much with what was already there. Made some edits, moved some text for flow. I didn't delete anything unless there was redundancy. There's a bit more that needs editing, but I'm out of time for the day:)Jbower47 (talk) 21:41, 13 August 2010 (UTC)

Teeth
Article states: "and unusually among sharks, its upper and lower teeth have dissimilar shapes".

This is true for e.g. Hemipristis, but as far as I can tell G. Cuvier's uppers and lowers are very similar. There is no longer a photo of its teeth included on the page, but google for yourself. Here is a quote from the quite authoritative elasmo.com website: "It is very difficult to distinguish uppers from lowers in tiger sharks, even in a modern jaw the uppers are virtually indistinguishable from the lowers." JEH (talk) 22:42, 18 November 2010 (UTC)