Talk:Tigerair Australia/Archives/2013

Article Cleanup
First and foremost, can editors please take care in the language they use within the article. A large majority of the information has not been finalised in relation to this company and therefore inclusions need to be written with this in mind. Secondly, if you are adding references to this article - please format them using the appropriate citation templates. Also, if you are going to use the same reference twice - please use the ref name method. This will make life a lot easier for quite a number of people. Thanks in advance -- Thewinchester (talk) 15:00, 15 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Thank you for the suggestion about the reference method. One drawback of doing it now is that the article is in a state of flux.  If a sentence with the originally named reference is deleted, then several other citations will be deleted.  Perhaps this type of clean up might be considered in possibly 2 weeks or so when the article might become stabilised (or, at the very latest, after the airline starts service and a comparison can be made of promises and what actually happens).VK35  17:50, 15 April 2007 (UTC)

callsign
Is this list accurate []? If so, call sign for Tiger Airways (not Tiger Airways Australia) is Stripe. What is "Go cat"?VK35 18:48, 13 May 2007 (UTC)

Aviation Australia
Aviation Australia will be doing the training for Tiger airways - I'm quite sure of this, for reasons I'd rather not disclose lest it get me in trouble - But I'm unsure of how to referece this. Any helpful suggestions? 123.100.130.66 04:44, 30 July 2007 (UTC) (Churba)

Duplication, omissions and ambiguities ...
A few comments: Pdfpdf 10:14, 2 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Have you noticed that the contents of the Tiger Airways Australia destinations page are basically a duplication of the information in the "Route Announcements" subsection at Tiger Airways Australia? I'm not sure what purpose this duplication serves.
 * Neither that table nor this page address fares particularly well.
 * ALL of these destinations are flights from/to Melbourne ONLY. e.g. Although both Alice Springs and Darwin are destinations, you can't fly from Alice Springs to Darwin (without going via Melbourne).


 * Hi I do agree that that huge table looks really out of place. I arent sure who changed it into a table, but I think the information was pre-existing. Will need an overhaul or something. I am considering creating a much smaller table somewhat similar to this, but highlighting the price wars as a result of each announcement. Will work on that later, but meanwhile, I think it might be prudent to clean that table up.--Huaiwei 10:57, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

Mea culpa!! (I created the table.) But I agree with you: "that huge table looks really out of place". What was there previously was very hard to read/analyse; the table is easier to read/analyse, but as you say, looks out of place. If you can improve it, Please do - you have my blessing.

But that wasn't my point. My point was the duplication of information in what was two sections, and is now two pages. I think the answer is ONE table which shows ALL of the information, (i.e. the routes, the fares, the announcement dates, the service commencement dates, etc.), but I don't want to stomp on anyone's toes. Pdfpdf 11:10, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

I don't think the information in the table is relevant, I never seen anything like it for any other airline. Over time it is likely that it would be culled anyway... could you imagine the sheer size of a similar table for a company the size of QF or UA?? The destination list is far easier to digest, as long as future announced routes have a start date in brackets with them. Announcement dates would logically form part of the history section of the article with commencement dates being in the route section (before commencement) as well as being mentioned in the history section with the date of the announcement. Fare information changes so regularly that it would be impractible to copy it here... not to mention that it is beyond the scope of wikipedia. Other than launch fares which again could be mentioned in the entry in the history section. Have a look at the articles on Virgin Blue and Qantas for examples of what I mean. Cheers MEBpilot (talk) 14:00, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

Adelaide Secondary Hub
Although nobody knows for sure at the moment, it seems apparent that Adelaide Airport will be a secondary hub for Tiger, rather than a primary hub. MEL has four A320s (equating to 720 seats) based at the airport, whilst ADL will have two A319s (equating to 360 seats) based at the airport. Until information to the contrary is available, I believe Adelaide Airport should be listed as a secondary hub. Mvjs (talk) 12:15, 7 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Or perhaps Adelaide should not be listed at all until the hub begins operations in January 2009. Till then, it is pure OR to claim it as a secondary or primary hub, for the airline has never made such a distinction either.--Huaiwei (talk) 16:10, 7 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I agree that it should be left off the infobox until it starts operations which could be early or late then the date set by Tiger. Bidgee (talk) 16:17, 7 August 2008 (UTC)

Removal of future expansion
Matilda removed all future expansion (all cited) stating that WP:CRYSTAL states that future expansion beyond one month should not be listed as it is advertising. I can't find any mention of WP:CRYSTAL prohibiting the listing of cited, future service expansion. To say this would be to remove all future service increases and decreases from all airport articles. On this rationale, I've restored the service increases. Mvjs (talk) 21:12, 27 August 2008 (UTC)


 * WP:Crystal does state In forward-looking articles about unreleased products, such as movies and games, take special care to avoid advertising - I think parts of this article currently is bordering on advertising rather than encyclopaedic facts. Refer also to NOTADVERTISING  While the article is written in a tone that is neutral point of view - information about which days planes fly is hardly encyclopaedic and seems to me to border on advertising.  I would also point you to our policy on conflict of interest - not sure whether it applies to editors on this article or not - but worth reviewing for its expansion on what wikipedia is not.  Please explain to me how detailing days of flights and future expansion is encyclopaedic rather than advertising - under WP:NOTADVERTISING - it states Articles about companies and products are written in an objective and unbiased style. ... Those promoting causes or events, or issuing public service announcements, even if noncommercial, should use a forum other than Wikipedia to do so.  I am happy to take the issue to the Aviation wikiproject for discussion.  I would distinguish airport articles from aviation company articles when discussing future increases or decreases - but basically the argument o say this would be to remove all future service increases and decreases from all airport articles. - is not acceptable in wikipedia debate per WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS - we are talking about this article - not others. --Matilda talk 21:43, 27 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Although I'm not necessary for this whole super destination table (I'd be content with just a simple destination list that every other airline has), if a flight increase is confirmed and a flight increase is stated in the table, it is worthy to list that cited increase in parenthesis. This isn't a forward looking article about an unreleased product. I am not in anyway affiliated with Tiger Airways Australia if that was directed at me. I was no way arguing for this destination table and listing flight days. As I said, making this destination table into a simple list would be something I'd be probably for. Mvjs (talk) 21:54, 27 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I did not think User:Mvjs was necessarily associated with Tiger - there are some anon editors who may be. Happy to work on a simple list --Matilda talk 22:02, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

Incorrectr Fleet size
http://www.tigerairways.com.au/about_us/

It says that there are 20 A320 currently in service and 50 ordered, that supposely was updated 31 August 2007, but wikipedia article cites it as 1st June 2008. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Elantrix (talk • contribs) 13:05, 22 October 2008 (UTC)
 * That is referring to the overall Tiger Aviation group by the sounds of it. Mvjs   Talking  20:19, 22 October 2008 (UTC)

Restructure of the Destinations Article
I have worked on a restructure of this list in a subpage of my userpage before implementing it to the mainspace. It adheres to WP:FL standards, whilst maintaining aspects of the WP:Airlines guidelines. Before making any major changes, please discuss here or at the WP:Airlines project first, thanks. Sb617 (contribs) 03:48, 13 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Subpage has been deleted and has since been implemented in main space. Sb617 (contribs) 09:49, 13 March 2010 (UTC)

Current Virtual Hub situation
Sydney is classed as a Virtual hub considering the use of SYD-OOL flights. Brisbane is also classed as a Virtual hub due to BNE-ROK. Just because they did not come out announcing it as a Virtual hub does not mean that it is not one, so I have placed it back on the page. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Skystar56 (talk • contribs) 09:28, 23 April 2010 (UTC)

Whole page needs updating.
Numerous things in the page are out of date. In particluar most of the senior staff listed were incorrect. This was corrected with only the Directors and Heads of Departments included. However someone keeps removing them, claiming I had added the "food testing guy" and "training officers". Simply untrue. Note that for the last few years other senior staff were listed; DOO, FOPS Mgr, etc... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.219.105.135 (talk) 01:08, 9 January 2011 (UTC)

Given the old paragraphs of waffle still on this page, can we not at least provide correct basic information?

I would suggest that someone who knows what goes on in Tiger Australia be allowed to update this page... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.219.105.135 (talk) 01:03, 9 January 2011 (UTC)

Nobody has paid little to no attention in the infobox over the past year, so I'm only cleaning it up to Wikipedia standards. Also, this article comes under the jurisdiction of the WP:Airlines project and the global Wikipedia-wide WP:Notability standards. If you see most other Airlines, they only list their Chairman and CEO/Managing Director. No other airlines list the "Head of Flight Allocations", the "Head of Food Tasting" or whatever. I do agree that someone with knowledge in the company could help the article, in the end the formatting of the article should at least be brought to standard under the WP:Airlines project, with WP:Notability and WP:References enforced for new happenings and notable people running the airline. Sb617 (Talk) 07:11, 9 January 2011 (UTC)

Airline TV Show
Is it worth mentioning in here that there is an entire TV show dedicated to people who think Tiger sucks? Pokepal101 (talk) 11:18, 19 February 2011 (UTC)

CASA Show cause notice
Should the show cause notice issued by CASA and the associated flight cancellations be mentioned on this page? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.124.89.238 (talk) 05:27, 24 May 2011 (UTC)

People affected by suspension
Not surprisingly, we now have this in the article...


 * "The grounding coincides with school holidays in New South Wales and Victoria, with an estimated 35,000 people to be affected."

While accurate, another perspective is that the reason for the suspension is to avoid plane crashes. If a plane crashed that many people would probably also be affected. Should that statement be modified to something like...


 * "The grounding coincides with school holidays in New South Wales and Victoria, with the travel plans of an estimated 35,000 people to be affected."

HiLo48 (talk) 22:03, 2 July 2011 (UTC)