Talk:Tim "Ripper" Owens

Move to "Tim Owens"?
Per NCP RandySavageFTW (talk) 22:15, 4 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Hmm, not sure. I kind of find he's more frequently referred to, and better known, as "Ripper" Owens. While obviously it doesn't matter too much, I do think the current title is the best compromise between what he's best known as and what his real name is. ~ mazca  t 22:55, 17 November 2008 (UTC)

Low Tenor?
I am a student of music and to the best of my knowledge, generally an "average" tenor has a range between C2 and maybe C5 but if he can reach G#5 and, with falsetto, C6 he is hardly a low tenor. I have decided to remove the qualifier "Low" since tenor is a better description. I am a fairly average tenor and usually assigned high tenor parts that don't generally reach anything above A#4 (that is choral first tenor). SoLowRockerMan (talk) 03:05, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
 * I agree with your reasoning; it would probably be best to find a reliable source that states one way or another though - to a point, naming his vocal range from a range of notes is original research. No doubt somewhere a decent source has called him a "tenor" or a "low tenor" or whatever. ~ mazca  talk 08:04, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Average tenor range most definitely does not extend all the way down to C2, in fact, it is rare to find a tenor who can hit that note. I think perhaps you may have meant to say C3-C5 as average tenor range. That's what I would say, and while his high range extends far beyond that, his low range does as well. Just because he can go beyond C5 doesn't mean he's a high tenor, any more than the fact that he go down to C2 means that he's a bass. He has well over a two octave range, so he can't necessarily be as easily classified into a single voice type as someone who doesn't have much more than a two octave range. He has enough range to sing bass, tenor, alto and with falsetto, even soprano parts. However, his tessitura is evidently somewhere between F2 and C3 to somewhere between F4 and C5, so for that reason, he can be best placed as a low tenor.
 * --Rock Soldier (talk) 21:19, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

Dio Disciples
Tim Owens is singing with the rest of Dio in place of his passing for shows in Europe

http://www.roadrunnerrecords.com/blabbermouth.net/news.aspx?mode=Article&newsitemID=155507 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 199.111.185.78 (talk) 16:44, 3 May 2011 (UTC)

Tim deserves a more extensive page, period.
I've been assigned an interesting new project in my American History class: Research and improve an underdeveloped wikipedia page for an Ohio history figure from the 1900's. The Ripper has been one of the biggest musical innovators from Ohio in a long while, and this little snippet does NOT do the rock god justice. I'm planning on separating the article into multiple sections (e.g. Early years, pre-Priest, with Judas Priest, Dio's Disciples, etc.) and adding a bit more about his technique and style, and hopefully I'll find a source or two with that quote about his range, being low tenor or high tenor and whatnot! That being said, I'd appreciate some fact-checking by you guys and general skepticism to make sure it's all accurate. What say you, ladies and gentlemen of Wikipedia? Mayeraj0409 (talk) 15:04, 18 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Well, I disagree with your premise, but I agree that he needs a better page. This one is messy and poorly written.  Remember that Wikipedia has strict rules on biographies of living persons.  You have to be careful to give sources for the things that you say, but it's mostly just common sense stuff.  That said, I like your ideas, and I think they will be very helpful. NinjaRobotPirate (talk) 15:14, 18 March 2013 (UTC)
 * I may have exaggerated a tid bit but he's an influence on me and many other Ohio musicans (we don't have much to look up to...) but thank you for the feedback. I've put together an initial outline to start researching and actually start adding to the page. this is what I have so far, as far as organization and timeline goes.

TIM OWENS

Early Years: >Before Music? (working on setting up an interview with the man himself, I know a guy)

Pre-Priest: >Brainicide >Winters Bane (Heart of a Killer) >British Steel = Winters Bane >How big did British Steel get? >Cover band to Heavy Metal Hero

With Judas Priest: >2 albums with childhood heroes >Wrote “What’s My Name” >Nomination Bullet Train 1999 (Jugulator)

Post-Priest: >Iced Earth (Glorious Burden) >>Beyond Fear, bassist left, hayes joined Iced Earth >>Matt Barlow returns >Yngwie Malmsteen >Solo (Play My Game) >Charred Walls of the Damned >HAIL

Rock Star: >Disavowed >Misc. Correlations and similarities

Present-Day: >Dio’s Disciples >Taphouse

Then the discography and all the appendices.

Is that a fairly reasonable way of organizing things? Let me know what you think! Mayeraj0409 (talk) 15:43, 18 March 2013 (UTC)
 * It looks like you've got some good ideas here. I'd suggest starting off small, first.  Try to reorganize the History section.  Break it up into sections, like you suggested, and move the content into the appropriate sections.  Just doing that would help a lot.  You can use this guideline to help give you an idea of how pages are generally expected to look, but I think you've already got a handle on it.  You might add a section that lists the influence he's had on other musicians, but only if you can find citations that back this up.  Also, you could try to rewrite some of the choppy sentences, so that they flow more naturally and sound less like they're part of a timeline.  Remember, try to stick to the facts, and don't inject your own point of view.  Unfortunately, the interview probably won't work for Wikipedia, because Wikipedia has rather strict and uncompromising standards on reliable sources and original research.  Wikipedia quotes what has already been reported; it doesn't report on facts itself.  You're best off quoting from interviews that have been published in mainstream publications, such as music magazines.  They don't have to be online, but you do have to cite a verifiable source. NinjaRobotPirate (talk) 17:14, 18 March 2013 (UTC)

Finally starting to look better
The article is finally starting to look pretty decent.

I think I got all the WP:TONE violations out of the article, so I removed that template. However, since we've got so few sources, I added template:BLP SOURCES. I added a source for the nickname, but I couldn't easily substantiate anything else. In particular, it'd be good to find sources for some of the early history. None of it is particularly contentious, but it'd still be good to have some citations.

I added an "Early Life" section, but I couldn't really find anything to put in it! It looks very barren right now, but I'm sure we'll find something to put there, eventually. I tried doing some web searches, but all they turned up were interviews about his years in Judas Priest. If we simply can't find anything, then I guess we can fill it with a bit of fluff about how he was a big fan of Judas Priest when he was a kid. That should be very easy to find in an interview, and I'm a bit surprised that it didn't come up in my own searches.

Also, I'm a little worried that the "Present Day" section is a bit over-detailed. For example, it lists line-up changes, detailed touring information, and other stuff that's not really related to Owens, personally. I was tempted to just summarize it in one or two sentences, but I didn't want to delete all those sourced statements without at least bringing it up on the talk page. If other people want it to stay, that's OK with me, but I'd prefer that we worked to make it a little more readable. We could move the detailed information about tours and line-up changes to a specific HAIL! page. Since we don't have one yet, it looks like someone would have to create it, if that's what we decide to do. NinjaRobotPirate (talk) 21:06, 25 March 2013 (UTC)

Rock Star
Adding info on the disavowed movie "Rock Star." Early Life could probably use some work, and I'll see what I can do about the Present Day issue!

--Mayeraj0409 (talk) 02:39, 29 April 2013 (UTC)

hair
is there a citation for the sentence in the 'charred walls' section about his hair-loss, or is this just vandalism? I'd question its relevance anyway.

08:53, 17 September 2017 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Duncanrmi (talk • contribs)

Should we expand his "Genre" section?
Ripper does more than just "heavy metal." He's done Power Metal with Winter's Bane, thrash metal, groove metal and nu metal with Priest (because they pursued the former 2 with Jugulator and the latter with Demolition) in addition to some hard rock on his solo stuff (particularly Play My Game.) Tkgaynor (talk) 04:43, 13 July 2024 (UTC)