Talk:Tim Richmond/Archive 1

Possible plagiarism
Text in this article appears to have been copied from reference 2, also found here: http://www.speedwaymedia.com/Articles/04/020104Madding.asp That source appears to have been published in February 2004 before this article was created. 24.130.131.219 (talk) 07:32, 25 February 2008 (UTC)
 * While the article does parallel the sources, I think they're different enough to not qualify as plagiarism.Mustang6172 (talk) 05:22, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

Days of Thunder?
First I ever heard that Days Of Thunder was about Tim Richmond. Anyone have any references for that? Ched Davis (talk) 20:46, 17 November 2008 (UTC)

I always thought "Days of Thunder" was about Jeff Gorden. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.231.217.79 (talk) 15:59, 20 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Days of Thunder came out in 1990 so it was written and filmed in the late 1980s. Jeff Gordon started in NASCAR in 1993.  Royal broil  00:45, 21 October 2010 (UTC)

Wikify tag
I was asked to explain my wikify tag:

When I used the phrase "political game" in my edit explanation, I was responding to the appearance and disappearance of the intro para, which mentions that AIDS cut his career short. The wikify tag is more straightforward: 1) Examples of essay language, unsuitable for an encyclopedia "Everyone thought he was crazy for doing all these things in the mid 1980's. They had no idea how much ahead of everyone else he was" and "Tim was a hit with the ladies at the racetracks". 2) Some statements need references: "Nobody knows how to handle AIDS, especially in a sport as backward-thinking on so many things as this sport is", said Petty" and "many of his fans were outraged at NASCAR's treatment of him". 3) Most of all, the sequence of events isn't quite clear: He knew he had AIDS, but NASCAR tested him for Sudafed and Advil? Then asked him to surrender his hospital records for AIDS? Those events seem to be muddled, somehow. Piano non troppo (talk) 06:07, 31 January 2009 (UTC)
 * I completely rewrote from scratch. The previous references were helpful.  Royal broil  02:31, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

GA Prep
diff - transferring? — Ched ~ (yes?) 05:57, 8 March 2009 (UTC)

References formatting
Hey Ched. Finished the copyedit, as requested. With regard to the formatting of the references, You never need to cite a reference more than once in a single paragraph unless either another reference needs to appear in between, or there's a quote in the sentence (every quote should have an inline citation immediately following it). This article has multiple places where the same reference is being cited multiple times in the same paragraph despite that there is no intervening reference or quotation. It's somewhat distracting. To give you an example of how to think about it: Sentence 1. Sentence 2. Sentence 3. Sentence 4. Sentence 5. Quote. Sentence 7. Sentence 8.

In the example, the first four sentence were all from Ref1 so only one cite is needed after the end of Sentence 4; sentence 5 is a new reference; the quote needs its own citation (always), and sentences seven and eight are from the same so they only get one citation at the end. Cheers!--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 07:34, 8 March 2009 (UTC)
 * I know what your saying. Some people find it distracting, other people find it necessary. I find it necessary. The problem arises when someone adds a sentence in that paragraph from another source. Then you wonder what information came from what source. I took the Alan Kulwicki article to WP:FAC, and I ended up adding a reference to each line because people requested a cite by each sentence. Even in cases of back-to-back sentences! I want this article to be as close to FA as possible in case I decide to go that direction.  Royal broil  12:40, 8 March 2009 (UTC)


 * First I want to thank all the great editors for their dedication and hard work in making such fantastic improvements to this article. While there are several NASCAR topics I consider a personal top priority, (Dale Earnhardt, Alan Kulwicki, etc.), it was perhaps this very article, and my belief that it could be improved, that prompted me to study wiki-editing procedure, and ultimately compelled me to register for an account here.  Second, I believe that an apology is in order, and I do in fact apologize to both Royalbroil, and Fuhghettaboutit for my improper lack of introductions, and over zealous attempts to get the article to the top, and  "get it right". (shameless plagiarism of Jimbo's BLP statement).  I guess I got a little over-excited when Royal took the time to come get me and say "Hey I'm gonna fix the Richmond article for ya - you wanna come join in?"  In a sense I grabbed a beer out of Royal's cooler, handed it to Fuhg and said "hey check this out", while he was watching a different event.  Whoops, sorry about that - I'll buy the next round ;).  Having been involved in a couple 3Os, RfCs, and a nightmare at Sanger - I realize now that had my jumping-the-gun involved less experienced editors - the situation could have become uncomfortable.  OK, apologies out of the way - Thank you all for the great work, I've already stocked up some old stuff to improve the Eary Life section once the GA is completed, and I'll head over to introduce myself to Sift. — Ched ~  (yes?) 15:10, 8 March 2009 (UTC)
 * I appreciate you enthusiasm! I'm glad that the sad state that this article was at was enough to inspire you to get an account. I wasn't offended at all and you have nothing to apologize for (to anyone). If you have some improvements to the Early Life section - go for it now! I bet it'll take a few weeks before the article to be reviewed against the GA standards, and by that time the article will have settled down. I doubt that improvement to the article would cause it to fail GA standards - edit warring would be the real problem. I don't think we have anyone here who'd want to do that. There might be healthy discussion at the most.  Royal broil  21:04, 8 March 2009 (UTC)

claim of Richmond first to transition from open wheel to Nascar
I believe this claim, "Richmond was the first driver to change from open wheel racing to NASCAR stock cars, which has since become an industry trend." in the first paragraph of this wiki is incorrect.

I suspected that many others such as A. J. Foyt did so before Richmond. Foyt Won the Indy 500 in 1961 according to his wiki, for example.

```` —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.238.192.232 (talk) 21:53, 14 October 2009 (UTC)
 * A.J., Mario, and the others did a few races in stockcars. Tim moved permanently and competed in full seasons.  Royal broil  01:09, 15 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Basically what RB said. While other drivers have dabbled in other venues of motorsports, the key here is that Tim "moved" from open wheel to stock car as a full time occupation (rather than just trying a few races).  This was a "change" - rather than an effort in a few individual events. — Ched :  ?  16:08, 22 October 2009 (UTC)

Tastes
I,as the sound man for the band,"Stranded",do declare we were the personal party band for Tim Richmond.He was a great representitve of Nascar and I really admired him.RIP brother,and thanks for the inside look. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Htos1 (talk • contribs) 16:18, 7 February 2010 (UTC)

Possible women Tim Richmond was involved with
Tim Richmond was a great NASCAR driver but their are rumors he knew he had HIV/AIDS, was in denial of having the virus, and withheld his HIV ststus from many women. LaGena Lookabill Greene(a former Miss Hawaiian Tropic model and actress)was Richmond's﻿ former fiancee during the late 1980's and met him in 1980 and pursued her for six years, proposing three times. She stated on 60 Minuets that he exposed her to the diease. Among other possible women infected were Karen Beasley, a former﻿ Miss Winston (N.C.) that died of AIDS-related illness in 1992. LaGena Lookabill Greene is currenly married to actor Danny Greene, and living a healthy life. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.99.36.203 (talk) 20:32, 22 October 2013 (UTC)
 * WP:NOTFORUM. - The Bushranger One ping only 21:42, 22 October 2013 (UTC)