Talk:Tim Tebow/Archive 1

Birth Place
There is a problem with this article. Was Tim Tebow born in the Philippines, as it says in the article, or in Uzbekistan, as it says in the information box?
 * Resolved (Phillipines). Pepto gecko 19:58, 19 February 2007 (UTC)
 * The article citing this says nothing about his birth place 72.85.158.75 (talk) 19:45, 12 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Fixed Niasain (talk) 19:52, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

edit war?
There have been a bunch of edits going back and forth on this page with no accompanying discussion. The reasons for adding/deleting stuff should be posted here so that a consensus can be reached. Zeng8r 20:58, 25 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Most of the edits going back and forth are because of vandalism and people cleaning it up. Tebow is not quite the most popular lad among fans of other football teams.  WTStoffs 01:31, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

I know a lot of people don't like Tebow but please don't vandalize. There hasn't been a lot but just because you don't like the person please don't vandalize there page. Hatmatbbat10 01:56, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

Hey, can someone take down the Walking Freight Truck quote in the first paragraph? It just doesn't belong in an encyclopedia article about Tim. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.187.83.26 (talk) 02:48, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Done. There was no reason for that description to be in there, especially an unsourced quote. --WTStoffs 05:36, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

His SAT score
This source and some others cite his GPA as 3.5 (which is impressive) but an SAT score of 890 (which...isn't). I think this should be worked into the article as far as how he got drafted despite a low score. Mike H. I did "That's hot" first! 13:42, 1 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Drafted? He is in college.  The academic score of someone is pretty irrelevant unless there is some sort of scandal involved (e.g Vince Young's low wonderlick score). The article that his SAT score is taken from clearly says he got that score in 9th grade.  It is pretty evident that the kid is not a dunce.


 * I'm not sure how a homeschooled kid can get a 3.5 GPA, though. Rivals is not the best source of information sometimes. WTStoffs 19:05, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

This source shows that Tebow qualified for college in his freshman year of high school with his SAT score. I feel as though, since there has been so much discussion about his intelligence, this would be a simple way to cool that argument.

890 on the SAT is accurate per Scout.com. Not saying the kid is an idiot, he may have scored that in 9th grade and never bothered to take the test again. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Hi way30 (talk • contribs) 02:01, 9 December 2007 (UTC)


 * Keep in mind that the SAT is not an intelligence test, and the difficulty of any system of measuring intelligence is that in order for we humans to be good at something we also need practice, particularly repetitive practice.  While I don't think an idiot could get a 1600, the opposite is not necessarily true of low scores.  It's very possible that Tebow's homeschooling did not properly prepare him for the SAT.


 * To be good at something generally requires both general intelligence and the relevant skill. It is very possible that Tim possesses the former, but not the latter, for the SAT, but that the former still shines through in conjunction with the latter for football.  The same effect can be seen in "streetwise" folks who flunk out of school due to lack of motivation or some other reason, but still show remarkable intelligence at getting by in life in other ways.


 * Personally, I haven't heard a whole lot of talk about his intelligence. The hype, at least here at Florida, is more about his speed, size, and skill. Mbarbier (talk) 15:50, 31 August 2008 (UTC)

All-time rushing TD record?
I think he holds the record for most rushing TDs in one season for a quarterback. Doesn't he? It's a pretty major stat/record. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.190.29.150 (talk) 20:32, 3 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Oh, it's the all-time SEC record for rushing TDs he broke. He has now had more rushing TDs as quarterback than emitt smith did when he was playing for Florida as a running back. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.190.29.150 (talk) 04:10, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

That is not accurate. He has the most rushing touchdowns of a QB in the SEC. It is not in comparison to running backs, only other quarterbacks. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.250.146.195 (talk) 12:50, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

Yes, the Smith record was just a Gator record.

He holds the SEC record for most rushing TDs (all positions). He holds (tied with Chance Harridge) the NCAA TDs in a season by a quarterback - 22.

Neutrality
I added the tag because upon first glance at the article, the neutrality is already unbalanced. First off, the introductory paragraph is one of the most biased I can say I've read. "Coach Meyer has described Tebow as the "sparkplug" of the Gator offense, providing a much needed jolt at just the right time during the games."(Just to clarify, Meyer's quote ends with sparkplug, the rest of that was written by someone else.) I realize this was a quote, but the article could do without it. Besides that, the preceding "jolt at just the right time" sentence is completely unnecessary. In the 2007 section, the following quote is listed: "While there were some questions about how he would perform as a full time passer, he opened the year with a bang". This is pretty one-sided itself and completely opinionated. Finally, there is not anything about a weakness, a downside, a bad game, or anything that isn't pro-Tebow. This article could probably use full cleanup, but for now, I would just advise people to work on neutrality. Saget53 21:25, 15 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Is it possible that tebow doesn't have any drawbacks? Cause he doesn't. He's a complete football player and essentially a saint in real life. Just because the coach praises his QB doesn't give you the right to pronounce the wiki has troubles with neutrality. Prove it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.190.29.150 (talk) 06:59, 16 November 2007 (UTC)


 * I did a pretty thorough cleaning of the article. It seems NPOV to me, though I will work on citing some of the statements that have citation notices next to them. WTStoffs (talk) 22:49, 16 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Yes, you've done a pretty good job with the NPOV. To the article's defense, I do realize that it is very hard, particularly with SEC articles, to maintain NPOV considering the fact that the overzealous fanbases will get on and tweak it to make the player/coach/team into God-like status (per above unmarked post by the way). Saget53 (talk) 22:58, 16 November 2007 (UTC)
 * I have a hunch that most of the God-like stuff from established users (as the page is thankfully semi-protected) is sock puppetry. For example, as a Dawg you should get a kick out of UFTebowharvin's edits and rants on the WLOCP page.  Pure comedy gold. WTStoffs (talk) 23:19, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

last paragraph of intro
Should change to something like: A sophomore in 2007, he became the Gators' starting quarterback. While at quarterback he broke the conference record for most rushing touchdowns by a player at any position, as well the record for most total points accounted for by a single player He is the only player ever in college football to score at least 20 rushing and 20 passsing touchdowns in the same season. His performance has made him among the polled favorites for the 2007 Heisman trophy.[5] [6]

--- as a side note, I'm not sure if "in division I" is required for 20 rushing/passing TD record. The season on-going stats in the body of the wiki needs updated as well; it still states he's at 19 TDs.66.190.29.150 (talk) 21:04, 17 November 2007 (UTC)
 * I moved the 20-20 stat to his 2007 section. If every record was listed his opening paragraph would be massive. WTStoffs (talk) 21:33, 17 November 2007 (UTC)


 * His major records -- conference and diviosn one all-time records should be in the intro entry. I don't even see it being debatable.
 * I suppose it might be a big enough record, and it is sourced now... WTStoffs (talk) 21:41, 17 November 2007 (UTC)
 * I re-added it after seeing the record mentioned on the top page of yahoo (not yahoo sports, but yahoo.com), and realized that this section of the talk page was to request the mention in the intro, not remove it from the intro. Mea culpa. WTStoffs (talk) 23:04, 17 November 2007 (UTC)

Assessment
I was wondering about the assessment of this article. shouldn't it be at least mid importance in college football, i mean he could win the Heisman. also is this article ready to go up to B class yet, if not what can we do to make it better? Hatmatbbat10 22:25, 2 December 2007 (UTC)
 * I've requested a re-assessment since it has been a year since it was last scored. The article definitely isn't start class anymore. WTStoffs (talk) 17:50, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

Anybody know what I should assess his importance for WikiProject University of Florida?

As a Heisman winner, this should be mid-priority for college football, so I'd think it's at least mid-class for the UF project. I adjusted them both. Zeng8r (talk) 16:15, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

Picture
Somebody recently added a different photo for the info box and i clicked on the image and found there's no license given. So shouldn't the photo be removed until it gets an appropriate license? Hatmatbbat10 (talk) 01:08, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

Maybe, I'll ask an admin. RC-0722 (talk) 01:37, 8 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Fixed. --B (talk) 01:50, 8 December 2007 (UTC)