Talk:Tim Wirth

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In 1990, while a U.S. Senator, Wirth said,


 * "We've got to ride the global warming issue. Even if the theory is wrong, we will be doing the right thing in terms of economic and environmental policy." (source)

Until someone provides a primary source for this claim, and preferably more context, this should not be in the article. I have also contacted the UN Foundation (of which Wirth is now president) for feedback on this quote.--Eloquence 20:37 Jan 24, 2003 (UTC)


 * It's in Michael Fumento's book. Is that good enough? --Uncle Ed 15:21, 6 Aug 2004 (UTC)


 * No, it's not - it is not a primary source. It does not state where Wirth supposedly said this and smacks of propaganda. However, since Wirth himself never bothered to reply, I won't bother to remove the statement.--Eloquence*


 * The earliest mention of that quote that I found was from the National Journal quoted by Debra Saunders on RealClearPolitics: "Sen. Timothy E. Wirth, D-Colo., said it in 1988, as the National Journal reported. "What we've got to do in energy conservation is (to) try to ride the global warming issue. Even if the theory of global warming is wrong, to have approached global warming as if it is real means energy conservation, so we will be doing the right thing anyway in terms of economic policy and environmental policy."  From:  http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2007/09/if_global_warming_isnt_real.html --DrDelos (talk) 00:13, 26 June 2011 (UTC)


 * I found another reference from sciencenews.org back to National Journal; As reported in REPORTS - Less Burning, No Tears

By ROCHELLE L. STANFIELD, National Journal © National Journal Group Inc. Saturday, Aug. 13, 1988 ScienceNews, Friday, July 18th, 2008 1:59 pm by Fred Houlihan http://www.sciencenews.org/view/generic/id/34264/title/Comment --DrDelos (talk) 02:17, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

The economy is a wholly owned subsidiary of the environment
This statement has been quoted, paraphrased, co-opted numerous times over the years in speeches, articles and books by people of note in the environmental movement. The earliest utterance I can find of it is from a speech given by Tim Wirth to the National Press Club on July 25, 1994. Here it is in context from that speech: "Stated in the jargon of the business world, the economy is a wholly owned subsidiary of the environment. All economic activity is dependent on the environment and its underlying resource base." --Undersecretary of State Tim Wirth, concluding a speech to the National Press Club, July 25, 1994

My source for the transcript of this speech: http://dosfan.lib.uic.edu/ERC/briefing/dispatch/1994/html/Dispatchv5no30.html This is, or appears to be, from Dispatch Magazine, an organ of the United Stated State Department, wherein his speech to the National Press Club is printed as a "dispatch".

I would like some feedback before I add this quote to his Wikipedia biography. Two specific questions: 1. Does this pass muster as a "primary source"? 2. Can anyone trace this the origin of this quote to a source preceding Tim Wirth's above-noted speech? My main motivation is to find the source of this quote, whether it be Tim Wirth or someone earlier. radioman 64.149.38.135 (talk) 16:15, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

"Home State"?
Small point, but the bio says "returned to his home state" in '70, ran for congress in '74. But he came to Colorado in '70 and the bio details say he was born in Santa Fe NM. This doesn't seem consistent with the "home state" part. I remember when Tim ran for Congress in '74 and there was a fair bit of grumbling about "carpetbaggers" and questioning whether someone who had only lived in Colorado for four years was an appropriate candidate. Can anyone say why this counts Colorado as Wirth's home state? — Charlie (Colorado) (talk) 17:24, 15 February 2010 (UTC)

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