Talk:Time's Arrow (Star Trek: The Next Generation)/Archive 1

Marvin
Perhaps a reference to Marvin?
 * Without sourcing, inappropriate for inclusion. Doniago (talk) 15:59, 11 February 2011 (UTC)

Guys and Dolls?
The bellhop (later revealed to be Jack London) says to a man exiting the hotel, "Lady luck not with ya tonight, Mister Lane?", which spurs Data's pursuit of poker as a source of income. I believe this is a reference to the musical "Guys and Dolls," whose main character Nathan Detroit was played on Broadway by Nathan Lane and which features a song called "Luck Be A Lady Tonight". Or is this too much of a stretch?
 * Without sourcing it's original research and can't be included. Sorry. Doniago (talk) 15:59, 11 February 2011 (UTC)

Mark Twain
Please specify at which moment Mark Twain utters the term 'Star Trek'. I cannot find it. (Rim23shot 23:02, 3 June 2007 (UTC))

Futurama
Is it worth a mention about the (probably intentional) similarities between Data's head being discovered and reconnected 500 years later, and Bender's head being discovered and reconnected 1,000 years later in the Futurama episode "Roswell That Ends Well"? — Loadmaster (talk) 20:45, 20 April 2009 (UTC)

Philip K. Dick
I wonder if the resemblance between the Data's head elements of the story and The Skull(1952) was incidental or was one or more writers were aware of it (and consciously re-using it with (in my view) legitimate variation of a common notion not plagiarism) while the work was being done. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jszigeti (talk • contribs) 17:31, 20 February 2010 (UTC)

Historical references
The "historical references" section claims that no time frame is established, but the episode summary mentions 1893. In addition, Data picks up a newspaper soon after arriving in San Francisco and realizes where and when he is. The date, 1893, is visible in the paper. 24.130.227.59 (talk) 07:38, 11 February 2011 (UTC)
 * I'd say be bold and correct this accordingly. Doniago (talk) 16:02, 11 February 2011 (UTC)


 * According to the at timeline and episode guide at memory-alpha.org, the date is 13 Aug 1893. I updated the article with this fact. — Loadmaster (talk) 16:38, 18 February 2011 (UTC)
 * I'm not going to take action myself, but because Memory Alpha is itself a wiki I don't believe it meets the reliable source guidelines. Perhaps the official Trek website has this info available? Doniago (talk) 16:48, 18 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Of course if somebody could be bothered to watch the episode, the episode would itself be a good primary source for what date is shown on the newspaper.--Toddy1 (talk) 17:32, 18 February 2011 (UTC)


 * The "historical references" section mentions that an appearance by Mark Twain alongside a young Jack London would not be possible, as Twain had moved out of SF to Hartford CT in the early 1870's, before London was born. However, while the two references mentioned point this fact out, they alone do not prove the impossibility of this situation; they merely support the improbability of it.  There is nothing in the references that provides a specific location for either Jack London or Mark Twain.  Given this, I would actually support the complete removal of this section from the article. --Kenneth E Fannon 20:20, 24 March 2011 (UTC)  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kefannon (talk • contribs)

This section should be rewritten. The time frame is not impossible, nor improbable. Mr. Clemmens could have easily travelled from the East coast, or where ever he might have been, to San Frabcisco in 1893. In fact, wasn't he attending a special appearance of a noted speaker? Why couldn't he have travelled to San Francisco for this? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.39.49.157 (talk) 14:06, 6 October 2011 (UTC)


 * In fact, the section is gibberish. I will attempt to make some sense of it.Pooneil (talk) 17:15, 29 February 2012 (UTC)