Talk:Timeline of Occupy Wall Street/Archive 1

"marched up and down Wall Street"
The description of the first day has protesters marching up and down Wall Street. Protesters actually failed to get onto Wall Street on the first day, which was blocked off by police for the 17th and days afterwards. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.25.56.165 (talk) 04:12, 16 November 2011 (UTC)

21st century revolution?
Is it really fair to include this in the "21st century revolutions" category? Major protest, sure, and maybe it'll shake up Washington a little. But it's hardly a revolution. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.177.184.193 (talk) 06:28, 2 October 2011 (UTC)
 * yeah i agree that really shouldn't even be on there, ill take it off. Its only been 2 weeks since this is starting. The communist are out in force on these articles. — Preceding unsigned comment added by AMERICAN 1 ENGINEER (talk • contribs) 08:00, 2 October 2011 (UTC)
 * First things first, your display of communistic distrust is unfitting for a worldly site like Wikipedia. Second, from a foreigner's perspective (I'm from the Netherlands) it does seem comparable to a revolution like the recent Arab spring, obviously with the exception of a government fall. Just check out the spring's wiki; it depended on civil (i.e. nonviolent) resistance in - and i quote - "sustained campaigns involving strikes, demonstrations, marches and rallies, as well as the use of social media to organize, communicate, and raise awareness in the face of state attempts at repression and Internet censorship. Many demonstrations have met violent responses from authorities,..."


 * So please explain clearly why you think this shouldn't be included in the 21st century revolutions catagory. Love, (KRBM (talk) 23:40, 28 November 2011 (UTC)).


 * Strikes/rallies, etc., are nothing new in the US, or elsewhere. Take, for example, France, which has a strike every other week. Those can hardly be called revolutions, but are signs of civil unrest. The difference here is that there is no end game, no specific guidelines/goals, and little backing from the overall nation for these protests, which are more of an "awareness campaign" for the average Joe. ~Araignee (talk &bull; contribs) 02:05, 26 August 2012 (UTC)

700 arrest incident
(no time to read it, but seems a good source !, someone interested ?) Yug (talk)  14:16, 2 October 2011 (UTC) I've heard about that and I can add that if needed (I'm trying to make some edits to this page, add some stuff in) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 138.78.49.163 (talk) 04:28, 8 November 2012 (UTC)

General Assembly planning
The group planning it was called the New York City General Assembly; distinct from the General Assemblies at Liberty Park (though organized in a similar fashion). Also, their first meeting was August 2nd; they (well, we) met every Saturday at 6:00 or so at Tompkins Square Park from then up to the week before the 17th (with the exception of August 28th due to hurricane). Don't know if I can find a source for this, and I'm sure as heck not about to edit the article without one, so I'll probably just find a reporter this week and get them to publish this info. Ab e g92 contribs 07:21, 3 October 2011 (UTC)

Merge with "Occupy Wall Street" article
Does this really need it's own article I think it should be merged with Occupy Wall Street. AMERICAN 1 ENGINEER (talk) 09:26, 3 October 2011 (UTC)

I nominated this Article for deletion since it seemed unnecessary given that their already is a timeline in the main article.AMERICAN 1 ENGINEER (talk) 09:26, 3 October 2011 (UTC)


 * both are growing fast so having a separate (daughter) article makes sense to me. -A98 98.92.184.5 (talk) 23:51, 13 November 2011 (UTC)


 * I think this article warrants a merge with the main article, as little has happened that hasn't been covered in the main article. ~Araignee (talk &bull; contribs) 01:55, 26 August 2012 (UTC)

Including small protests?
I know we have determined to include things like Occupy San Francisco and Occupy Portland. But what about smaller ones in less prominent cities? For example, in my own backyard, there is now |topnews|text|frontpage Occupy Tallahassee. かんぱい！ Scapler (talk) 20:02, 4 October 2011 (UTC)

First night?
Does anyone have a reference for what was the first night protesters actually occupied Wall Street? That is, slept or, at least, kept vigil all night, in Zucotti Park? Was it actually Sept 17th? The Sept 17th entry seems to say that tents were forbidden. Did the police allow sleeping bugs? How did they find Zucotti when police blocked them from camping on the street? Was it pre-planned? --RoyGoldsmith (talk) 15:01, 6 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Excellent questions. I hope to find out, or someone will find out. I hadn't thought about that. I started this page and that didn't dawn on me. I think planning sessions were in Zuccotti during August and early September, so the group somehow gravitated there. Excellent point! Christian Roess (talk) 02:58, 8 October 2011 (UTC)

October section straying off topic
This is a occupy Wall Street Timeline for NYC and I have noticed entries describing the protests in Washington DC and Portland, Oregon should this timeline include all the cities across america or just NYC? - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 21:47, 10 October 2011 (UTC)


 * I think the content should stay but the article should be moved to something like 'Timeline of "Occupy" protests'. All of these protests are closely connected but the 'Wall Street' label clearly only applies to the first and most high profile of them.Rangoon11 (talk) 21:54, 10 October 2011 (UTC)

Photo for October 15


I thought this photo might be suitable for October 15. The photo itself, subject, and quote have all become notable. See Conor Friedersdorf. Here's a link to the reference in the photo. Adam Clark Estes and Dino Grandoni, “Another Public Radio Freelancer Gets the Ax Over Occupy Wall Street”, The Atlantic, October 28, 2011

If there are any concerns, please let me know.--Nowa (talk) 00:41, 31 October 2011 (UTC)

Domain names
I've added a citation for the WhoIs of occupywallst.org. The registrant information is hidden for this, so I guess the text "was registered" will have to suffice. The domain occupywallstreet.org was, as far as I can tell, registered by Adbusters Media Foundation (going by the logo at the bottom of the page). I'll leave this information in discuss for now as I can't be 100% sure of it. If anyone can confirm/improve, please do so. Terryc73 (talk) 01:02, 1 November 2011 (UTC)

present tense
nice work. thanks for starting this. it is informative and well written. one suggestion i would make is to keep the verb tense in present form for each day's description. i notice it switches to past tense in the first month. also, maybe include more pictures if allowed. or quote some of the protest signs that the mainstream media publishes/broadcasts. thanks. -A98 98.92.184.5 (talk) 23:49, 13 November 2011 (UTC)

potential NYT resource
Talk:Occupy Oakland 99.190.85.111 (talk) 05:40, 15 December 2011 (UTC)

potential resource
from List of Occupy movement protest locations in the United States ... http://caucuses.desmoinesregister.com/2011/12/30/occupy-protesters-demonstrate-at-two-des-moines-area-events/ regarding United States presidential election, 2012 and Republican Party presidential primaries, 2012 in particular. 99.181.147.68 (talk) 06:29, 1 January 2012 (UTC)

Tournament of Roses Parade resources
examples 99.190.82.113 (talk) 11:40, 2 January 2012 (UTC)
 * http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/01/01/9878718-rose-parade-disrupters-face-fines-jail-time
 * http://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/2012/01/02/Occupy-protesters-vow-peaceful-Rose-Parade/UPI-25161325496600/
 * http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-57350759/68-occupiers-arrested-in-nyc-on-new-years-eve/
 * http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2011/12/occupy-rose-parade-police-security-beefed-up.html
 * http://www.care2.com/causes/octopus-of-corporate-greed-will-occupy-rose-parade.html
 * http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Politics/2012/0101/Occupy-the-Rose-Bowl-Parade-Protesters-gearing-up-to-march-behind-the-roses
 * http://news.yahoo.com/occupys-rose-bowl-parade-plans-unveiled-162600143.html
 * occupytheroseparade.org
 * 99.181.142.9 (talk) 12:16, 2 January 2012 (UTC)

Unsourced POV-pushfest
This article is a mess, should be deleted, and meanwhile better-written and more carefully edited articles are being pruned down so that the same info can re-appear here with a hopeless amount of spin.. Centrify (f / k / a FCAYS)  (talk)  (contribs) 12:47, 14 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Oppose. What are the specific POV concerns? If valid, the attempt should be to correct them.Mandrake H (talk) 13:05, 14 February 2012 (UTC)
 * That wasn't a delete nomination, so no need to vote your opposition. The "specific POV concerns" are that the article is overflowing with improper sourcing and dishonest spin applied to otherwise acceptable sourcing.  It is a propaganda piece.  Centrify (f / k / a FCAYS)   (talk)  (contribs) 01:10, 18 February 2012 (UTC)

I would say its a stretch to call it a propaganda piece. But, I would say that it should be merged into the main Occupy wall street article (I think there is a timeline there, so then it could be discussed by people on that page). --138.78.49.163 (talk) 04:30, 8 November 2012 (UTC)

In just 30 seconds a day
You could identify and remove a piece of dishonest and utterly inappropriate propaganda from this article. You need not look far. Centrify (f / k / a FCAYS)  (talk)  (contribs) 16:17, 20 February 2012 (UTC)

Merge proposal
I've gone and removed big chunks of the article, as it was often irrelevant, not specific to OWS, POV, or unsourced. I'd vote for a merge to the main article, as there is hardly any content in this one that is notable, and it's all a repeat of what is in the main OWS article. I imagine someone will try to revert my changes, but to be honest, I was pretty lenient on axing stuff from here, and much more could go. ~Araignee (talk &bull; contribs) 02:01, 26 August 2012 (UTC)
 * See here for official discussion: Talk:Occupy Wall Street ~Araignee (talk &bull; contribs) 02:15, 26 August 2012 (UTC)

I completely agree with that and I used some sources to add stuff to the article (as it was lacking after March 2012. I also believe it should be merged as well.--138.78.49.163 (talk) 04:31, 8 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Make sure you use reliable 3rd party sources rather than "official" Occupy media to source events. Also, this is an article about the Occupy Wall Street timeline, not the Occupy movement in general, so events at other Occupy locations don't belong here. ~Araignee (talk &bull; contribs) 02:17, 9 November 2012 (UTC)

Well, some stuff like that about Occupy protesting in solidarity with those in Mexico (Yo Soy Movement), counts as part of Occupy Wall Street. 74.107.90.188 (talk) 17:08, 24 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Just looked at that specific source. Because it was a protest in NYC, you're correct: it does belong to OWS. However, I wasn't able to find any reliable sources covering it...just mentions that they would protest in the future tense. As such, it is relatively unnotable as far as Wikipedia is concerned. ~Araignee (talk &bull; contribs) 17:39, 24 November 2012 (UTC)

August 9 citation requested by user Araignee
What type of RS are you looking for exactly? The primary source and article by Deborah White is not sufficient? Please explain and provide an example of what will satisfy your request for additional citations. I'm confused your persistence in requesting something that's already been provided. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gerardryan31 (talk • contribs) 05:00, 7 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Videos are typically not valid sources, and especially not when it's cited as the primary source. About.com isn't a reliable source, as it's freelance, non-peer reviewed content that anyone can post (essentially self-published). Feel free to review WP:RS. Also, "blasts" is a POV term. ~Araignee (talk &bull; contribs) 19:03, 7 January 2013 (UTC)

The video used as a citation is from the publisher (MSNBC), it contains the words of the individual referenced (Dylan Ratigan) from his own show, and it is in fact the work itself that is referenced in the pre-occupy timeline. Isn't the New York Times self-published? Is the New York Daily News peer-reviewed? What would you accept as an appropriate reference? I think you're splitting hairs here and while I understand the attack on wording ("blasts is a POV term") and find the substitue wording acceptable, I'm confused by your "standards" for citations. I referenced the source of the material; is MSNBC not credible? I provided the about.com citation which links Ratigan to the Occupy movement from its early moments... So my question is: are you asserting that the CONTENT of that article is inaccurate, or untrue, or are you simply quibbling over the source? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gerardryan31 (talk • contribs) 19:54, 7 January 2013 (UTC)


 * Wikipedia isn't concerned with whether the content is true or not, and neither am I. It is an issue of verifiable and credible sources. Again, please read WP:RS. This has nothing to do with my opinions on the matter. It is Wikipedia policy.


 * For starters, in WP:RS, it states:
 * "Articles should be based on reliable, third-party, published sources with a reputation for fact-checking and accuracy. This means that we only publish the opinions of reliable authors, and not the opinions of Wikipedians who have read and interpreted primary source material for themselves."
 * Posting a video of the incident as a source would be a primary source, not a third-party source. One of the problems with primary sources, and primary source videos in particular, is that they have to be interpreted by the Wikipedia editor instead of writing what someone else said on the subject. As far as About.com, the difference is that NYT or other reliable sources have their credibility on the line every time the publish something. There's no standard of verifiability or accuracy, and more or less anybody can create an article. That's not to say some of the external links that an About.com article has aren't good sources, and at times those can be used.


 * Perhaps even more pertinent, though, is that if there's not anywhere else that mentions this incident, it can hardly be notable at all. Assuming good faith, I haven't simply deleted the incident yet, but in order to stand it needs a credible and verifiable third-party source. ~Araignee (talk &bull; contribs) 00:00, 8 January 2013 (UTC)

More primary source material that's oh-so-questionable. Dylan Ratigan talking about the initial Occupy protests on air on September 20, 3 days after the first day of occupation and 1 day before Olberman on Current TV (http://observer.com/2011/09/media-coverage-on-occupy-wall-street/). Ratigan was actually leading the charge from inside a major media outlet with a message of support: http://video.msnbc.msn.com/dylan-ratigan-show/44600241#44600241

Is HuffPo a RS? From 10/06/11: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/10/06/dylan-ratigan-tamron-hall-occupy-wall-street_n_997915.html And here, while not directly supporting the fact that Ratigan was an early proponent, another HuffPo article; this one covering the absurd notion that Ratigan was secretly conspiring with Occupy organizers (Posted 10/17/2011): http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/10/17/rush-limbaughs-occupy-wal_n_1016102.html

And this is from the The Independent: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/support-for-occupy-wall-street-protest-boosted-by-mass-arrests-2364710.html

I included this reference to Ratigan because he was not only the first person in major media to acknowledge the protests on air, but because he was covering key issues before the protests began. By the way, it's not an "incident", it's a milieu and Ratigan most definitely had a strong voice which contributed to the coalescence of forces that fueled the Occupy movement and helped inform its narrative.

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 * Ok, though some info is missing from the article, but still will work as a citation from a secondary source. Christian Roess (talk) 20:25, 16 March 2016 (UTC)

Orphaned references in Timeline of Occupy Wall Street
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