Talk:Timeline of United States military operations/Archive 1

New Orleans
A added a reference to the article about military involvement in the events in New Orleans after Katrina (Civil disturbances and military action in New Orleans after Hurricane Katrina). It is now listed under "Miscellaneous". I know this is not the best place, but I could not find any other appropriate category.

Some left-wing commentators on the web have indicated it could be listed under "Ethnic cleansing and control" as The Siege of New Orleans

What do you suggest?

-- Petri Krohn 17:10, 13 September 2005 (UTC)


 * I don't think it belongs and feel that even putting it on this page is highly POV. --Habap 19:05, 13 September 2005 (UTC)


 * I think it belongs in a section on the use of the National Guard in areas that are non-military, such as when Eisenhower nationalized the National Guard to make sure young black children could get an education without deadly racial harrassment. AlMac|(talk) 02:36, 18 September 2005 (UTC)
 * I think that if we add every deployment of the National Guard for non-military reasons, this list will grow beyond usefulness. There's no entry for the deployment of troops after the Watts riots, for example. Nothing about relief efforts for other hurricanes, either. I think that Petri is pushing a POV by including it here. The comment about "ethnic cleansing" is disingenous. Almost like a politician saying "some say my opponent is a theiving, lying scoundrel, but I don't". --Habap 20:50, 19 September 2005 (UTC)
 * I am removing Hurricane Katrina from here, since other Hurricane-related deployments of the Army and National Guard don't appear (Hurricane Ivan, for example) and Petri's notes above indicate that it is include for highly POV reasons. --Habap 14:21, 23 September 2005 (UTC)

Please see the discussion on Talk:List of alleged United States foreign interventions since 1945
Please see the discussion on Talk:List of alleged United States foreign interventions since 1945

Regarding:
 * List of alleged United States foreign interventions since 1945,
 * List of United States foreign interventions since 1945,
 * Instances of Use of United States Armed Forces Abroad,
 * List of United States military history events

....and a possible merge of all four....Travb 06:59, 16 February 2006 (UTC)

Puerto Rico?
Counter guerilla operations in Puerto Rico since the 1950s? I'm no expert, but it's the first I've heard of it. And the linked article makes no mention of it. MK2 20:44, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

Moved from newly merged page List of Military Involvements of the US
List of Military Involvements of the US has been merged into this article. Those incidents not listed need to be merged into the article.

This needs to be added to this page:

Since the beginning of the American Revolution the United States has participated in many wars, including civil wars of other countries. The United States has also seen numerous riots and rebellions in it's history. The following is a.

Instances of Use of United States Armed Forces Abroad A better list of the involvements

American Revolution, 1763-1789

Shay's Rebellion, 1786-1787

Whiskey Rebellion, 1794

Quasi-War, 1798-1800; "The Forgotten War," a undeclared naval battle between the United States and the French Fries's Rebellion or The Hot Water War, 1799

Barbary Wars, 1801-1815; Includes the War of Tripoli and Algerine War

War of 1812, 1812-1814

Creek Indian War, 1813-1814

First Seminole War, 1817-1818

Black Hawk War, 1832

Texas Revolution, 1832-1836

Second Seminole War, 1835-1842

Aroostock War, 1838-1839

Anti-Rent War, 1839-1846

Creole Case, 1841-1842

Dorr Rebellion, 1842

Philadelphia Nativist Riots, 1844

Mexican American War, 1846-1848

Wakarusa War, 1855-1860 also known as Kansas Civil War or Bleeding Kansas

Mountain Meadows Massacure, 1857

A Plea for Captain John Brown, 1859, also known as Brown's Slave Rebellion

American Civil War, 1860-1865

Battle of Little Big Horn, 1876

Anti-Chinese Riot, 1877

Nez Perce War, 1877

Controversy of 1889, 1889

Sitting Bull, 1890

Mob in Valparasico, 1891

Committee of Safety (Hawaii), 1893; also known as the Hawaiin Revolution

Miners Riot, 1894

Samoan Civil War, [[1898]

Spanish-American War, 1898

The Banana Wars, 1898-1934

Philippine-American War, 1899

Boxer Rebellion, 1900

U.S. Occupation of Vera Cruz, Mexico, 1914

World War I, 1917-1918

World War II, 1941-1945

The Cold War, 1945-1991

Korean War, 1950-1953

First Lebonese Invention, 1958

Second Indochina War, 1956-1975 Includes: Vietnam War, 1964-1973 Cambodian Civil War, 1970]-[[1975 Pathet Lao, Mid 1950s-1975

Johnson Doctrine, 1965-1966, the US involvement of Dominican Republic

Iran Hostage Crisis, 1979-1980

Second Lebanese Invention, 1982-1984

Greneda Invasion, 1983

First Persian Gulf War, 1980-1988

Second Persian Gulf War, 1991

Somalia Intervention, 1992-1993

Ocupation of Haiti, 1994-present

Bosnian War, 1992-1995

The War in Afghanistan, 2001-present

Third Persian Gulf War, 2003-present

Intervention in Haiti, 2004-present

signed:Travb (talk) 01:09, 24 June 2006 (UTC)

From other page
I moved this list from another wikipage to here, this list also needs to be incorporated into the larger list:


 * The massacre or the forced diaspora of Native Americans, for example in the Trail of Tears (1831, 1838);
 * The Mexican-American War of 1846-48 and subsequent annexation of Mexican territory;
 * The support of the overthrow of Queen Liliuokalani in early 1893, the attempt to reinstate the queen in late 1893, and the subsequent annexation of Hawaii in 1898;
 * The Spanish-American War in 1898 and the resulting occupation of Cuba, annexation of Puerto Rico, and Philippine-American War (1899-1913);
 * Numerous interventions and gunboat diplomacy in Latin America under the Monroe Doctrine and Roosevelt Corollary in countries such as Haiti, the Dominican Republic and Nicaragua.
 * Intervention in the First World War (1917-1918) and then subsequent invasion of Russia (1918-1920);
 * Division of the world with the Soviet Union into zones of control after the Second World War, as enforced for example by intervention in the Greek Civil War (1946-1949) and in the Korean War from 1950-1953;
 * Cold War covert operations in numerous countries including the removal of Iran's Prime Minister Mossadegh via the 1953 Operation Ajax and assistance in the overthrow of Chilean President Salvador Allende in 1973;
 * The Vietnam War from the early 1960s to 1973 and the bombing of Cambodia during the war;
 * Participation in NATO intervention in the former Yugoslavia in the 1990s;
 * Intervention in El Salvador and Nicaragua in the early 1980s, sanctions against Cuba, the invasion of Panama in 1989 and intervention in Haiti in 2005-6;
 * Participation in the Gulf War in 1990-1991, intervention in Afghanistan from 2001, and participation in the Iraq War from 2003 onward.

cleanup-merge tag
re:

List_of_United_States_military_history_events, part of the old List of United States foreign interventions since 1945 needs to be merged into the new comprehensive list:


 * List_of_United_States_military_history_events
 * List_of_United_States_military_history_events.

Signed: Travb (talk) 02:07, 24 June 2006 (UTC)

Dirty Wars Timeline
The following was cut and pasted from Foreign relations of the United States Travb (talk) 00:54, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

Hello All,

This was drawn up for a class in Latin American history I took this year. It's the work of one Professor Van Gosse, who has written extensively on this subject. I think this area certainly deserves more attention than is currently given by wikipedia, but overall I think the present article is not overly biased. Perhaps when summer comes I'll have time to offer something myself. Tom J., Ireland.

THE DIRTY WARS

1961	1) April 17-19: the Bay of Pigs invasion fails 2) General Rafael Trujillo, pro-US dictator of the Dominican Republic since 1930, is assassinated; the CIA supplies the weapons, to avert another “revolutionary situation”

1962	1) The Cuban Missile Crisis	2) “Operation Mongoose” stepped-up

1963	November 22: JFK assassinated

1964	1) US-backed coup in Brazil against President Joao Goulart, LBJ congratulates junta’s “democratic rebellion,” military holds power until 1985 2) CIA and AFL-CIO organize a general strike in British Guiana to topple government of Cheddi Jagan prior to independence from Britain in 1966 3) Panamanians invade Canal Zone to protest US occupation and place national flag, fight with Marines

1965	1) LBJ sends 20,000 troops into the Dominican Republic under OAS auspices, after a military revolt by “Constitutionalists” to restore the elected president, Juan Bosch

1966	1) CIA organizes a “demonstration election” to bring Joaquin Balaguer to power in the Dominican Republic, a protégé of Trujillo; he represses the left, stays in power until 1978 2) CIA organizes counter-insurgency in Guatemala, revolutionary leaders killed 3) The Tricontinental Congress in Havana hears Che Guevara’s “Two, Three, Many Vietnams” message 4) Father Camilo Torres killed while fighting with guerrillas in Colombia

1967	Che hunted down and killed in Bolivia by US-led Rangers

1968	1) The Latin American bishops meet in Medellin, Colombia, declare a “preferential option for the poor”	2) Mexican army kills hundreds in Mexico City during demonstrations against government

1969	Castro mobilizes the entire country for a ten million ton sugar harvest, but fails

1970	Salvador Allende’s Popular Unity coalition of Socialists and Communists wins an election in Chile, CIA fails to block Allende taking power

1972	Center-left coalition led by Jose Napoleon Duarte wins elections in El Salvador; military coup in response

1973	1) September 11: After a campaign of subversion backed by CIA, the Chilean military led by General Augusto Pinochet overthrow Allende and institute massive repression;  Pinochet remains in power until 1989	2)  Military assumes power in Uruguay after defeating guerrilla movement, the Tupamaros, intensifies repression, stay in power until 1985 3) Populist former ruler Juan Peron (exiled since 1955) returns to Argentina, is elected president amid revolutionary chaos, dies within the year, succeeded by wife Isabel

1975	1) Cuba sends an expeditionary force to Angola to aid the Popular Movement for the Liberation of Angola after Portugal pulls out; in 1976 Cuban and Angolans defeat US-backed South African invasion force	2) The three factions of the Frente Sandinista de Liberacion Nacional (FSLN, the Sandinistas) unify, prepare to confront the Somoza regime 3) In the US Congress, major hearings are held (the “Church Committee” in the Senate; the “Pike Committee” in the House) to investigate abuses by the CIA and domestic intelligence agencies, including assassinations of foreign leaders and the overthrow of Allende	4) At a meeting in Chile, the secret police chiefs of Argentina, Bolivia, Chile, Paraguay, and Uruguay (later joined by Brazil) organize “Operation Condor” to eliminate their enemies throughout the hemisphere; in 1976 exiled Chilean Foreign Minister Orlando Letelier is blown up in Washington DC, one of tens of thousands killed via Operation Condor with at least tacit US support

1976	1) Following a military coup in March, the “dirty war” begins in Argentina to wipe-out a powerful urban guerrilla movement, with 20,000 killed by 1982; Secretary of State Henry Kissinger tells Argentine Foreign Minister in October "the quicker you succeed the better"	2) In November, Jimmy Carter is elected president of the US, pledges to support human rights and end policy of aiding dictatorships, bans assassinations by US intelligence agencies

1977	Jimmy Carter and Panama’s President, General Omar Torrijos, sign a treaty in Washington formally ceding sovereignty over the Canal Zone to Panama in 1999, abrogating Hay-Bunau Varilla Treaty of 1903

1979	July 19: the FSLN triumphs over Somoza after a six-month insurrection and massive repression and marches into Managua; Carter recognizes the new government


 * this should be integrated in the article - it is an essential part of the subject... a bit of updating would be nice to... --Boszko2 12:44, 4 July 2006 (UTC)

Border Commission troops in the Pacific Northwest
Hmm; something just crossed my mind as I re-read this....thinking of those dot-dot-dots at the end, y'see. Because some of it has to do with American adventurists in a non-governmental way. Such is already the case with the 1830s filibuster in Nicaragua and other "proxy" actions. Not the same as the dirty wars exactly, as listed below, which were official and semi-official government operations; hmm haven't looked up Iran-Contra yet...a long digression/backgrounder on military activities and associated political crises in the Pacific Northwest that spins off this I've created a sandbox page for at BC & Pacific Northwest History Forum which I created to put my lengthy elaborations on for linking to, rather than cluttering up Talk pages; I invite you to read and consider in relation to the list overleaf here; it'll be referred to in other articles on the region's history but it's good rundown/intro; mostly to do with the US Border Commission troops and the adventurists in the Fraser Canyon goldfields, but a few other interesting tidbits also; another section I'll be adding of a different horse colour will be some stuff on British-Russian "relations and risks" right up until World War I, about which there's been a couple of interesting books btw.

To TravB; re-reading your replies above I came across:
 * ''I fear a POV war brewing, but expected it to start from the right, not the left."

As I tried to explain somewhere else, (maybe on my Talk page?) while I'm not meaning to be confrontational, I can't help be controversial because of the prior absence of the British POV on lots of Wiki pages, including the original Pacific Northwest, Oregon Country, Oregon Treaty and Oregon and Alaska boundary disputes and there's lots of missing details throughout that should be integrated, not for right/left reasons, of for UK->BC->Can/US ones either, but simply in the cause of telling the complete truth. Taking the side of the British Empire is hardly a leftist thing to do, either...Skookum1 03:41, 14 July 2006 (UTC)


 * Kewl. Add what you wish.  Just keep in mind that this page is a list, and no entry should be longer than a sentence.  You can link to larger articles you create or expand, as you wish.


 * As I mentioned before, I know little about Canadian history. I will look at your new page you created.  I honestly have little interest in Canadian/US relations, but maybe that will change.  I am more interested in the overthrows and the chaotic countries to the South.


 * I am not familar with the Nicaragua action of 1830, but I do know that Costa Rica was overthrown by an American entrepreneur. Travb (talk) 03:57, 14 July 2006 (UTC)


 * Sorry; got it wrong, it was the 1850s, althoug AIRC there was another campaign in the '30s; see Filibuster (military); the "Austrian" troops mentioned re the Fraser Canyon War on BC & Pacific Northwest History Forum were part and party of that; many of the Germans and French irregulars stayed on in BC, it seems (hard to see who had done what; it was a politically shady career for a foreigner in ostensibly British turf, although that goes unsaid and it's hard to know who was who and had done what; some of the key McGowan's War people were also veterans of Nicaragua, and there was a "Nicaragua Bar" among the placer-field gold-mining bars of the Fraser.Skookum1 04:22, 14 July 2006 (UTC)


 * I have had a lot of arguments with people who I later learn to respect, and we become friends of a sort. I appreciate your work, and hope that we can put out disagreements behind us, to make this page even more comprehensive.  Travb (talk) 03:57, 14 July 2006 (UTC)


 * I didn't consider it an argument so much as a misunderstanding; I write in a polemical style, to be sure, and maybe a bit pompously because of my exposure to diplomatic histories and "high lit", and also having not a small sense of theatre. I remember in soc.history.what-if long ago I wrote something on either the Oregon Dispute or a "Imperial British Columbia" timeline something that quite raised hackles with another subscriber from Seattle; once he realized I was writing ironically/polemically he got the point and the humour; taking the really high ground and making it a campaign and a bit of a snake-oil show in the process; it's the problem with text without audio; you can't get the tone; and stuff that might sound aggressive, written from the British/BC point of view (less so Canadian, given the period and my own local loyalties/identity - screw the maple syrup, beaver, moose and Mountie thing, basically).  Thing is in the Pacific Northwest the cross-border dynamic isn't largely understood by Canadian history because of its Central Canadian bias and the uncomfortable cross-border nature of the population and the politics; the War of 1812 and all that stuff, the 1837 Rebellion and so on, leaves me cold; the US seizure of Montreal and the Battle of Three Rivers (Trois-Rivieres, Quebec) is all interesting but I only relate to it at a level of overall imperial/continental geopolitics; in the PacNW it's a different matter and there's only now some academic and writing work done exploring the x-border nature/identity and shared history of the place; Americans tend to be more aware of the HBC's role in the lower Columbia District (Oregon Territory to you guys) than anybody in Canadian historiography; even at BC's own universities as I've discovered somewhat to my dismay and frustration.  Long story....but all mine are.


 * Anyway, I think you get it now that it's just a stylistic thing, and that penchant for consuming detail I've got. Point form will be tricky but I'll try; maybe I can separate out some twine from that tangle of threads, we'll see; have to get the names of the US garrisons and regiments in place, and what detail I can get on related stuff; still have to write McGowan's War and the Fraser Canyon War articles (McGowan's is only a stub currently) and input stuff on Douglas' relationship to Stephens in the Yakima and Cayuse Wars articles; which I have yet to add to Indian Wars as I'd long ago intended; obviously multi-ADHD and with 500 topics on the boil on any given session ;-) Speaking of which, you get the idea; I'll sign off for now; it's the shared history here that counts; the idea that in this region it's not US-Canada relations but WA-OR-BC-CA relations; they're intertwined and to be told properly can't really be separated; and lots of themes have differing views, as with the Oregon and Alaska articles and more to come.Skookum1 04:18, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

Discussions on these military events not here
Discussions on these military events should take place on the respective pages, not on this list. Please limit the descrpition of these conflicts to one sentence.

I have been in edit wars with others since October 2005, and have been working on this page almost as long. Please see: Talk:List of United States foreign interventions since 1945 which I merged into List of United States military history events.

To avoid edit wars here, the perspectives on these conflicts should be left to their respective talk pages, not discussed on this list. Thank you. Travb (talk) 17:33, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

Occupation of Akwesasne during Mohawk Civil War, spring 1990
"We" (Canadians) knew about this because of parallel disturbances on the Canadian half of the St. Regis-Akwesasne Reserve, which straddles the border and the St. Lawrence River at Cornwall, Ontario and Messina, New York. The Mohawk Civil War, as it was called in Canada, was a gunfight for control between various factions of the Mohawk people during the late winter/early spring of 1990; the events on the US side of the border were a bit mysterious but were "kept under control" by immediate occupation by US troops of the entire reserve. Don't know much more about it; army or reserves or marines or what, except that they came from the Messina US military base right there. No fighting, just a deployment/mobilization. Anyone else know anything about this? Apparently they were on red alert during the Oka Crisis and thereby no doubt helped things from getting too out of control on our side of the border.Skookum1 18:39, 14 July 2006 (UTC)


 * I would suggest creating the page. Then linking to it in the see also sections, also add the applicable Special:Categories. "If you make it they will come".  Travb (talk) 20:45, 14 July 2006 (UTC)


 * I need to research it; and Mohawk Civil War could easily be a political flame-battle, as the divisions within the Mohawk community are not yet healed/solved. But I'll try; if you've not seen Oka Crisis have a look; although that's a different matter and more Canada/QC vs Mohawks and not at all Mohawk vs Mohawk as with the "civil war".  What went on the US side of the line during it was reported briefly on Canadian media; maybe the local paper in Messina might have something, or in Cornwall; could take some digging....someday I'll have to tell you about troop mobilizations at the height of the Solidarity Crisis in BC in 1983, for which no one's written an article yet (Canadians are very good at not looking at stuff in their own recent history IMO: partly because it's still so touchy; more on tis privately or on the PacNW Forum if you like, rather than expound upon it here....Skookum1 08:24, 15 July 2006 (UTC)


 * Maybe you can add Mohawk Civil War into the existing Oka Crisis page. I think if you post something on the right page (not on the talk page--people ignore the talk pages) then you will get more info. Try google.com/print Travb (talk) 10:16, 15 July 2006 (UTC)


 * Man, you need to use google, here is a book on it, first hit in the search:
 * "One Nation Under the Gun: Inside the Mohawk Civil War by Rick Hornung"


 * Google print, 11 hits mostly all references to Hornung's book.


 * You can buy it used at Amazon.com for $2.00 USD.


 * I have found 99% of the time asking questions on the talk pages gets no results, I wouldn't do it in the future unless you have exhasted all other avenues. I guess by answering your question, I just happened to make your question one of the 1%.  Travb (talk) 10:24, 15 July 2006 (UTC)


 * Well, the question was actually did this belong here or not, not so much as to its details; but a book I can't afford anyway, i.e. never mind the $2 and shipping, I don't have credit/credit card; might be in the uni library near me though; I'll have a look, if it is, and see if the US-side events are covered.Skookum1 16:56, 15 July 2006 (UTC)
 * And as for the other thing I've mentioned; it was "just" a mobilization - manoeuvres officially - within striking range of the border during what might have been called a state of apprehended insurrection as with the FLQ crisis/'70; but there were no Canadian troops anywhere near BC when the Premier shot his mouth off about using troops (long story/background). Two divisions of Marines, though, in what would have easily been an overnight occupation of the Lower Mainland to thwart a General Strike that had all the makings of turning BC into a republic; or overthrowing the government anyway.....Skookum1 17:00, 15 July 2006 (UTC)
 * And no, there's no book on it; recent BC history books tend to be butt-kissing bios and retrospects by former political insiders (e.g. http://thetyee.ca/Books/2006/06/27/BennettReconsidered/, a page/forum which mysteriously enough is blank; looks like The Tyee has been hacked - it's our online independent rag, and a good one); objective accounts, even in journalism, are extremely rare. The history's too volatile, often as not; and the main sources (newspapers) are owned/controlled by the same corp, who are always on one side; it's an issue I might hold forth on in the BC&PacNW History Forum at some point, as it relates to the value of "primary sources" in BC history/politics.Skookum1


 * I have a passing interest in this subject at best, as probably most people who watch this page. I think you would get a better reception and response to your comments and inquiries at Oka Crisis. Do you mind if I move these comments there? Travb (talk) 21:13, 15 July 2006 (UTC)

Hurricane Katrina
Why is the Military action after Hurricane Katrina not mentioned? LCpl 22:26, 15 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Because you have not added it yet, asking someone else to add material to a talk page is a dead end, 99% of the time. WP:Be Bold. Go for it.Travb (talk) 00:25, 16 July 2006 (UTC)

Alleged_interventions
Of all the sections, this section should be referenced, List_of_United_States_military_history_events because of the uncertain evidence of these accusations. Travb (talk) 04:05, 16 July 2006 (UTC)

Humanitarian interventions
If the list includes deployments of the military for humanitarian reasons as in Lebanon it is worthwhile to mention the deployments to Pakistan of helicopters and C130 galaxies after the earthquake. The deployment of helicopters to INdonesia and other countries after the Tsumnami. THe use of military planes to ship rescue dogs such as for Turkey. THe current aid operation sending ships and helicopters to Lebanon. etc.Mrdthree 20:45, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

Hundreds of incidents
I have corrected your misspelling of the word "involvement." If you want to insist on misspelliing it, go ahead and do your "revert" operation again. I have also included the following, in order to prevent this article from being the America-bashing article that it was originally:

"Hundreds of incidents (the overwhelming majority) are included herein where U.S. forces never took military action, and were present strictly for humanitarian or other peaceful purposes: disaster relief, for example, or providing security for the evacuation of U.S. civilians during a civil war." AlyssaM 10:29, 31 July 2006 (UTC)


 * Hi Alyssa, I appreciate your efforts on this wikipage. Thank you for pointing out and correcting the spelling error which maybe mine.  I am a terrible speller, and my contributions are often corrected. :)


 * The reason I deleted this paragraph is the same reason I have deleted long explanations of each military event, pro or anti-US. Please don't take it personally. For example, I deleted the word "drug sales" addition a few days ago.   This came from a comprimise that User:CJK and I made a few months ago, when most of this page was on another page.  We agreed not to discuss the different military events here on this page, and keep the military events short and concise, limiting them to one sentence at the most.  ''(See:Talk:List_of_United_States_foreign_interventions_since_1945)


 * As I wrote to CJK, this list is not the place to argue whether American foreign policy is benign or not. CIA or History of United States overseas expansion and other pages in the Template:AmericanEmpire are better forums for this debate.  I have consistently attempted to keep each entry short, and neutral.  I would love some help with this, and welcome your future additions.


 * You also wrote on my talk page the following: If you are going to insist on misspelling the word "involvement," and if you're going to insist on America-bashing, go ahead and do another "revert."  (See: User_talk:Travb)


 * if you're going to insist on America-bashing The majority of this list is from a Congressional list compiled over the last 31 years (since 1971), as it states in the first paragraph of this wikipage:


 * Portions of this list are from the Congressional Research Service report RL30172.


 * The list is from the airforce military site. Simply posting this list is not "America-bashing" unless you feel the US airforce and US Congress are "America-bashing" too.  The large majority of this page is simply a historical list of US involvment throughout the world, compiled by congress and hosted on the airforce military site.


 * Thanks for your message and your continued contributions. I hope you can help me make the entries more neutral and concise. It is hard to keep up with this list. Best wishes, and welcome to wikipedia. Travb (talk) 17:32, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

There are two factors at work here which create a perception of America-bashing. The first is that whenever US troops are sent overseas, no matter how peaceful or small the deployment, it is always made public. This creates a very long list. As you may have noticed, this article has been criticized for its excessive length.

The second factor is that there is no corresponding "List of Soviet Union military events," "List of Chinese military events" or "List of Cuban military events." Because those are secretive governments with no transparency, it would be difficult to compile a list of even the majority of their foreign deployments. But no effort at all has been made. The combination of these two factors creates the impression, however unintended, that this list has been created as ammunition for America-bashing.

The overwhelming majority of these foreign deployments consisted of very small numbers of troops for completely benign purposes. I would add that in general, it is better to give information than to delete it. AlyssaM (talk) 21:47, 31 July 2006 (UTC)


 * Thanks for your comments. I don't want to get into a discussion about US foreign policy here.  I feel your statments are very common run-of-the-mill arguments, which I have addressed many time before, which I would be happy to address on other wikipages.


 * The overwhelming majority of these foreign deployments consisted of very small numbers of troops for completely benign purposes


 * Unfortunately, I would have to strongly disagree, and welcome your comments on other pages which I frequent, some of which I have created, such as Philippine-American War, Torture manuals, U.S.-Colombia relations, US history of exporting democracy, Nicaragua vs US, Waterboarding, Santa Marta Massacre, Psychological Operations in Guerrilla War, Plausible deniability, Operation Whitecoat etc.


 * American Empire is probably the best page to discuss these issues.


 * I would add that in general, it is better to give information than to delete it. I agree wholeheartedly, with caveats. In fact "give information than to delete it" was my major argument with someone just two days ago. User_talk:TDC But if the addition will provoke edit wars, as has happened before in the history of these five pages which I merged into this one, then it is better to err on the side of caution.


 * I don't want to be dragged into a long discussion here, I could go on and on, but will not.


 * Again, I welcome your additions to this page. If you want to trim down these entries, that would be fabulous.


 * Again, welcome to wikipedia. I look forward to working with you some more.


 * Signed:Travb (talk) 03:34, 1 August 2006 (UTC)


 * I've visited the other pages you've mentioned. In general, I find a failure to achieve the NPOV desired by Wikipedia. There is an overall tone of America-bashing, with partial reliance on questionable sources to support the more damning accusations, that reflects what is apparently a dominant culture among contributors at Wikipedia. Also, these events didn't occur in a vacuum. US military deployments have universally occurred in response to threats, either honestly perceived or very real.


 * The typical deployment seems to be deployment of a few dozen or few hundred Marines to protect the lives of US missionaries and aid workers during a rebellion or civil war, or to provide disaster relief. Nothing could be more benign. For every Philippine-American War (1899-1913) there are at least three Liberias (1998), if not seven or eight. Provoking edit wars wouldn't bother me, as long as the end result is an accurate article with NPOV. AlyssaM (talk) 14:54, 1 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Thanks for your comments, I welcome your changes and additions on any of the above pages. Thanks for your hard work and dilegence, I appreciate you taking the time to read these articles. Travb (talk) 17:25, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

Rwandan Genocide
Anon wrote:


 * Rwandan Genocide On April 6, 1994, extremist groups in Rwanda massacred 800,000 to one million people. UN forces were sent to intervene, but due mainly to the restrictions placed on them, failed to prevent the genocide.


 * How was the US involved? If part of UN force, need a short blurb stating this. Travb (talk) 00:24, 3 September 2006 (UTC)


 * Actually, I am going to cut this down to one sentence, as we have done with all sections, maybe even delete it, since the anon never explained. *Deleted.* Travb (talk) 11:23, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

Name of campaign?
RE: 1857 -- Nicaragua. - April to May, November to December. In May Commander Charles H. Davis of the United States Navy, with some marines, received the surrender of William Walker, self proclamed president of Nicaragua, who was loosing control of the country to forces financed by his former business partner, Cornelius Vanderbilt, and protected his men from the retaliation of native allies who had been fighting Walker. In November and December of the same year United States vessels USS Saratoga, USS Wabash, and Fulton opposed another attempt of William Walker on Nicaragua. Commodore Hiram Paulding's act of landing marines and compelling the removal of Walker to the United States, was tacitly disavowed by Secretary of State Lewis Cass, and Paulding was forced into retirement.

This section is getting to big, does anyone know the name of this skirmish, so that I can make a new article and link to it? Travb (talk) 11:23, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

Cleanup and merge?
This page is currently two separate lists, one chronological, and one sorted by topic. It doesn't seem like all events are represented in both lists. It seems like we have two options: -- Beland 20:49, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Split this into two pages, and try to post all incidents on both, sorted by type
 * Integrate the by-topic list into the chronological listing. We could retain the "type" information by converting it into a table that has a "type" column with links to overview articles for that "thread" of American history.

Operation Gladio allegation
The impression recieved by reading the part about alleged US support of operation gladio is that this organisation was primarily a terrorist organization that attacked civilians in peacetime. In reality it's main function was as a stay behind army to attack military targets, in times of war. It is quite apparent by reading the description and history of Gladio that this was likely the reason that it recieved US support. The fact that it commited atrocities against civilian populations seems to be a minor incident in the organisation's history, and these activities arguably do not represent US intentions, which were likely entirely strategic in preventing a soviet occupation. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 130.216.191.182 (talk) 04:14, 27 February 2007 (UTC).
 * I went ahead and toned down this section. Arguments about content should be on the respective pages.  This is simply a list of military events only, and to avoid edits wars here, each entry should be brief (no more than a sentence).Travb (talk) 06:57, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

Occupation of Akwesasne, 1990
Please see this.Skookum1 19:04, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

Bombing a country because of an insult??
"1854 -- Nicaragua. - July 9 to 15. Naval forces bombarded and burned San Juan del Norte (Greytown) to avenge an insult to the American Minister to Nicaragua." Is this a factual information? To me, it looks like an anti-American biased simplification of facts. The only source I could find which doesn't look as if it's been copied from the Wikipedia is the following:

"Because of the increase in traffic, in 1852, an American Naval frigate, the Cyane cruised Caribbean coastlines to protect American citizens settled in Caribbean ports, including Greytown. On July 13, 1854, the Cyane bombarded and destroyed Greytown when local authorities refused to make reparation or restitution for property stolen from American citizens and for an attack by a mob on the United States consul. Within weeks, news of the controversial bombing was reported around the world, including in the London Illustrated News. In 1855, the Río San Juan changed course and again Greytown was destroyed. " http://www.maritimeheritage.org/ports/centralAmerica/nicaragua.html

Malbi

Many of the CIA backed coups listed as "claims" are open acknowledge by the USA government. This article makes it seem like its just some nutty CIA conspiracy buffs.
 * Quoting from Congressional Research Service report RL30172, as posted by the Naval Historical Center: "1854 -- Nicaragua. - July 9 to 15. Naval forces bombarded and burned San Juan del Norte (Greytown) to avenge an insult to the American Minister to Nicaragua.". -- Boracay Bill 12:56, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

1818 -- Oregon.

 * ''1818 -- Oregon. The USS Ontario dispatched from Washington, landed at the Columbia River and in August took possession of Oregon Territory. Great Britain had conceded sovereignty but Russia and Spain asserted claims to the area.

Conceded sovereignty??? In 1818? Spain had conceded claims in the area to Russia and Britain, then Russia and Spain cut separate deals with the U.S. in order to screw up the concessions they made to the British. The US did not "take possession" of the Oregon Territory; they seized a coastal fort or built one or something to assert US claims over the Columbia District aka Oregon Country, but had no impact on the existing Hudson's Bay Company adminstration of the territory, or on the powers of the reigning chiefs/nations, who were undisturbed largely until the Stephens Treaties and Cayuse and Yakima Wars. The USS Ontario's visit was an intimidation, quickly withdrawn, as I recall, and there was no way one puny ship at Astoria could control the territory all the way to the Rockies; it remained empty of Americans virtually until the dawn of the Oregon Treaty in the 1840s; the Ontario is inconsequential anyway in terms of the long-range history of the region. I'll be back to rewrite this....Skookum1 06:28, 24 June 2006 (UTC)


 * This majority of the list is from the US military. It is pro-US, choosing words which justify US empire abroad. I just merged this article from four different articles about 5 hours ago.  I fear a POV war brewing, but expected it to start from the right, not the left. See the original military article I got the majority of this from.  Repetitive bullshit. Four people worked on the article over four decades, the last person was a really, really, really poor writer, updating the list from 1999 to present.  I majorily rewrote the original.  It still has an empire justifying stink to it, but I am willing to keep that stench to avoid a protracted revert war.  I suggest adding a link to the episode in 1818. Slightly modify the list and actively avoid POV terms.  Just to make sure we are on the same page, the one condition I do have, which I won't budge on, is don't start deleting entries, rewriting entries for clairity in my mind, is much different than deleting entries. User:Travb


 * "take possession" is neutral--maybe to neutral for your taste, but much better than "indimidation".  Please change it, but be actively aware of the competing ideas here.


 * "take possession" is COMPLETELY UNFACTUAL. Read your history.  Competing ideas?  Look, TravB, I appreciate your efforts to keep things from flying out of control; but obviously, given what I can see in the list, there's no control over facts at all.  "Take possession"?  Read your history, and tell anyone who bitches or reverts to do the same.  The US rattled its sabre in 1818 based on the treaties finaglings with Spain and Russia, but the upshot was a joint administration of the region (Oregon Country to the US, Columbia District to the Empire/HBC) until 1846, although the US never installed an administration until 1848.  1848, not 1818, and "taking possession" didn't happen until Gov. Stephens was appointed to the territory from 1846 on. Skookum1 16:51, 24 June 2006 (UTC)


 * I just want to avoid a revert war. I have a feeling this page was built and maintained by pro-military people by its tone.  I am new here too--today was my first edit here.  Despite this, together, I think we can all make this page the very best and most comprehensive encycopedic article ever written anywhere on List of United States military history events (It already is).  Again, I want to avoid a revert war, and focus my energies on building an encyclopedia, not fighting about the meaning of one entry or another. I hope you understand.  I welcome your edits, be bold, but be sensitive too.  Thats all I ask. Travb (talk) 07:20, 24 June 2006 (UTC)


 * This page is also monitored by people on the Wikiproject Indigenous peoples of North America although I agree with you it appears to have been started by military buffs. That's fine, so long as they don't overblow their history or MAKE STUFF UP.  Which is what that 1818 nonsense is about.  I gather the actual sabre-rattling over the Oregon boundary in the 1840s, the San Juans war (Pig War), and the Alaska Boundary Dispute may not count because there were no actual troop deployments, just the threat of war; er, there's probably another list of US irredentisms somewhere; any one of the three incidents I just mentioned could overnight have flared to a major war, however; the US similarly could have (but didn't) intervene in the Riel Rebellions.  But back to the point: there's a number of American things to do with Canada that aren't here; mostly War of 1812 stuff, but.....Skookum1 16:55, 24 June 2006 (UTC)


 * In the course of my editing described in the Cites section below, I have reverted this back to its original wording ("Britain had conceded sovereignty ..."). I recognize from the discussion above that this is disputed, but rather than have a revert war on this, can we report in the article that sources differ in their accounts of these events, describe the differing accounts, and cite sources asserting each differing account reported? -- 210.5.75.29 02:05, 16 April 2007 (UTC)

Cites
It seems to me that this page has some problems related to citation of supporting sources. Many of the items in the Extraterritorial and major domestic deployments section are supported by the cited Congressional Research Service report RL30172. Some items are not supported by this source, and it is not clear which items are supported by this source and which are not. Putting cites on each item supported by this report would result in a too-long list of backlinks from the note in the References section (Note 1, since it occurs early in the article). Still, I think the items supported by this section should be marked in order to aid in identifying items in the article which are not supported by a cited source.

Dithering about this, I've come up with some alternative solutions, none of which make me very happy:
 * 1. Include a statement near the article text mentioning RL30172, saying that items supported by that source are marked somehow (with [RL30172], say), the items might be so marked, and the note in the References section could be identified with a leading RL30172.
 * 2. The supported items could be plaintext-tagged with something like this:[1]
 * 3a. Add   just after the  , and
 * 3b. Tag each item supported by this cite with  
 * This would have the effect of placing hyperlinks to the note at each item, without placing backlinks at the note in the references section.  The hyperlinks would be labeled:[1], but would be clickable.
 * 4a. Add  RL30172:  just after the  , and
 * 4b. Tag each item supported by this cite with  
 * This would have the effect of placing hyperlinks to the note at each item, without placing backlinks at the note in the references section and plaintext-labeling the note as RL30172.  The hyperlinks would be labeled:[RL30172], but would be clickable.

I'm leaning towards alternative 1 or 4. I sort-of like alternative 2, but alternatives 2 and 3 both have the disadvantage of fragility -- if another cite is later placed in the article at a point ahead of the present   declaration, the note number on that would change from 1 to something else, breaking all instances of alternatives 2 and 3. Comments? Suggestions? -- Boracay Bill 12:40, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

I plan to start tagging items today, using alternative 4 above. There are too many items to do this in one edit, so it will be a series of edits. Along the way, I plan review external links and/or wikilinked pages mentioned in support of items and to tag items not supported by cites with s. I notice that there appear to be a lirge number of items mentioned in RL30172 which are not mentioned in this article. I plan to add those items as I come to them. If anyone has comments, objections, or suggestions as I do this, please mention them here. -- 210.5.75.29 01:28, 16 April 2007 (UTC)

I noticed when I got to the first item under 1820-1829 that my ref_label conflicts cosmetically with external links. To resolve this, I am going to add a subsection to the External links section and put these inline links down there with ref/note_label. Comments/suggestions/feedback here will be welcome. -- 210.5.75.29 02:16, 16 April 2007 (UTC)

Did edits up to 1850. Deleted Bear Flag Revolt item because, from the cited wikilink, (1) it is not clear that this was an official act of the US Government (though it might have been) and (2) the Mexican-American War was underway at the time. The Mex-Amer war is listed as an item and if this revolt was an official action of the US Govt it would fall within the scope of that item. -- Boracay Bill 04:37, 16 April 2007 (UTC)

Did edits up to 1900, inserting links to RL30172. Also:
 * Removed 1854-58 -- Nicaragua Naval Battles The wikilinked page redirects to a page titled United States occupation of Nicaragua which discusses that subject during a 1909-1933 time frame.
 * 1857-58 -- Utah War added info from wikilinked page.
 * 1861-65 -- American Civil War added info from wikilinked page.
 * Deleted 1865-77 -- Post Civil War Reconstruction  -- From the info on the wikilinked page, I don't see how this relates to this article's subject.
 * 1878-93 Mexico -- trimmed info.
 * 1885 Panama -- trimmed info.
 * 1895-96 Venezuela -- tagged with <
 * 1898-99 Samoa -- info not verifiable from wikilinked page. Replaced inf with info from the wikilinked page.
 * 1899-1913 Philippines -- toned down POV.

Did edits up to 1950, inserting links to RL30172. Also:
 * 1909-1933 Nacaragua -- changed date to 1910 per RL30172
 * 1914-17 Mexico Deleted broken wikilink to Dolphin affair and related text.
 * 1913 Mexico - added
 * 1914 Haiti - added
 * 1914 Dominican Republic - added
 * 1914-17 Mexico - added
 * 1915-34 Haiti - added
 * 1918-20 soviet Union - changed to Soviet Russia.
 * 1936 Spanish Civil War (wikilinked to Abraham Lincoln brigade) - Removed. As I understand it, this was not an official action by the US Govt.
 * 1945-49 Occupation of part of Germany improved wikilink.
 * 1945-55 Occupation of part of Austria improved wikilink.
 * 1945-46 Occupation of part of Italy - flagged with
 * 1945-52 Occupation of Japan improved wikilink.
 * 1945-46 Temporary reoccupation of the Philippines in preparation for independence flagged with
 * 1945-49 Occupation of South Korea and defeat of a leftist insurgency flagged with
 * 1945-91 Cold War - deleted; too unspecific.
 * 1945-47 Marines, China flagged with.
 * checkpointed work up to 1950 -- Boracay Bill 03:26, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

Did edits up to 1970, inserting links to RL30172. Also:*1954 The CIA & Guatamala - Deleted; does not fit this section and duplicates entry in the Covert ops section
 * 1955-63 Vietnam' - Changed to 1955-64 - Vietnam''; replaced Diem-centric cite with more general cite; rewrote text
 * 1963-64 CIA & Iraq -- Moved to Covert ops section
 * 1964 -- Military coup in Brazil - deleted. Duplicates item in Covert ops section. moved cites, etc. to covert ops item.
 * 1968 -- Capture of USS Pueblo - Deleted. Don't see how it fits in this Extraterritorial and major domestic deployments section. Perhaps the section should be retitled something like Significant extraterritorial and domestic operations, or Significant operations and events (??)
 * 1968 -- Iraq. - moved to Covert ops section -- Boracay Bill 09:01, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

Did edits up to 1990, inserting links to RL30172.
 * 1971 Indian Subcontinent - flagged with
 * 1973 CIA - deleted; duplicates item in Covert ops section
 * 1987-88 Operation Earnest Will - added descriptive text
 * 1987-88 Operation Prime Chance - added descriptive text
 * 1988 Operation Praying Mantis - added descriptive text
 * 1988 Operation Golden pheasant - added descriptive text
 * 1988 -- USS Vincennes shootdown -- I don't see how this item fits into this Extraterritorial and major domestic deployments section, but I have left it in place. Perhaps the section should be retitled something like Significant operations and events (??)


 * Did remaining edits in the Extraterritorial and major domestic deployments and Covert opssections through the 1950s, inserting links to RL30172. Also inserted some and  tags and replaced a dead link with an internet archive link.  Still have a little bit to do. -- Boracay Bill 11:58, 18 April 2007 (UTC)


 * Reviewed items which I had put into the External links section during this series of edits. Moved those which I took to be References (i.e., had been used in preparation of this article) to that section.

In the Covert ops section:
 * 1961 CIA, Trujillo - removed dead link
 * 1981 CIA El Salvador - changed "military" to "CIA" in text to bring into line with cited source
 * 1979 Mujadeen, etc. - flagged with
 * 1990s Croatia - flagged with .  Text says "Pentagon-contracted advisors". Operation Storm article says: "Croatian forces hired private US companies to help reorganize and train the army, but the extent of these companies involvement, as well as their link to the US government, remains unknown."

In the Alleged interventions section:
 * 1967 Greece - flagged with
 * 1982-83 Guatamala - flagged with
 * 1960s Italy - changed a false flag operation to which has been accused of trying to influence policies through the means of "false flag" operations, per info in wikilinked source Operation Gladio.
 * 1970 CIA & Golpe Borghese - flagged with . Wikilinked source does not support CIA involvement.
 * 1979-84 Yemen - Flagged with
 * 1987 Fiji Flagged with
 * 1990-91 Bulgaria - Flagged with
 * 1991 Haiti - Flagged with . Wikilinked article does not speak of US support for ousting.
 * 2004 El Salvador - Flagged with . Wikilinked article does not support assertions about US interference and threats.

Re-labeled the External links added during this series of edits.

Closing summary - I have taken a pretty close look at some sections of this article and not looked at other sections at all. In the sections I examined, I tried to  move inline external links into either the References or the External links sections, to provide better citation information on the links,to look at the content of the cited item in relation to the assertion it was cited to support, and to flag problems which I saw. I suspect that I must have made a few unnoticed mistakes during this series of edits. I have tried to leave a useful overview of what I did in this talk page section. I hope that I have done some useful work here and left the article in a condition which is improved over the condition in which I found it. -- Boracay Bill 02:58, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

Golpe Borghese
Information of this failed coup has come in public knowledge thanks to Freedom of Information Act. To make long story short US now recognise that they have know everything about coup. Still U.S.A. do not recognize that they have anything to do with it but that they have only know. Maybe after new 30 years they will recognize guilt ? -- Rjecina 21:38, 19 April 2007 (CET)


 * Reference for coup in Italy (Golpe Borghese) is "La Storia siamo Noi - Il golpe Borghese" Rai (Italian state television) - 5 december 2005. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Rjecina (talk • contribs) 00:18, 22 April 2007 (UTC).

Merger
Overseas interventions of the United States should be merged into this article since they both have lists of such interventions. Thus, any sourced material should be moved here.Ultramarine 13:22, 19 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Strongly against. Overseas interventions and military events are two different topics. Griot 21:49, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
 * But this article also lists such interventions (and also has sources). Most of the interventions in the other article are already listed here.Ultramarine 21:52, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
 * strongly against this is a list only. We have tried to keep this list very brief (one sentence only) to avoid edit wars here. Whereas Overseas interventions is a more detailed article. 69.148.173.32 23:54, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Good argument.Ultramarine 00:03, 21 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Thank ultra, really respect all that you do. 68.91.253.194 05:45, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

Merger proposal
I've suggested merging List of wars involving the United States into this page because, this list is more comprehensive and more clearly defined. The list of wars page doesn't define the word "war" and includes non-declared "wars" like the Cold War and unauthorized wars like the Korean war. Without a clear definition of a war is this list just seems more helpful.--Cdogsimmons (talk) 19:55, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

I reverted the removal of a lot of information by one editor. I went back to November 16, 2007. After that time there were no significant changes to the article. Out of respect for other wikipedians work, I suggest that future editors, before removing all of this work of dozens of editors, please find a home for what you personally feel is "off topic" information.

Today I suggested merging the covert section with CIA sponsored regime change and spent 20 minutes moving and merging duplicate sections.

I am now going to restore the actual contributions to this article between November 16, 2007 and today. Trav (talk) 07:11, 13 December 2007 (UTC)


 * I feel your reversion is totally inappropriate. This article is about US MILITARY involvement. If you want to do an article about the CIA, wonderful, please do so. But there is no reason for people to be confused by thinking that things the CIA did were the responsibility to the US MILITARY. They are completely seperate entities. I do not understand why this is not a black and white. Why continue presenting information in a false manner?Niteshift36 (talk) 01:03, 15 December 2007 (UTC)


 * I still have not heard a good reason. You complain about undoing the "hard work" of other editors, yet undo my editing without a seconds hesitation. Not a single entry that I deleted was a US Military event. Why is this topic called "List of United States Military history events" if it is going to include events that the military was not involved in? Let's change the title to "Stuff involving someone from the US" if you want to include non-military history.Niteshift36 (talk) 1:3, 1 December 207 (UTC)

Zebulon Pike
His invasion of Mexico is confusing. It should be cleared up as to if he was really invading, and that the part of Colorado he was in was Spanish territory then. a platoon is not really an invasion. Rds865 (talk) 20:40, 6 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Yes, confusing. A bit more info is available at Zebulon Pike, and in the book The expeditions of Zebulon Montgomery Pike to headwaters of the Mississippi River, through Louisiana Territory, and in New Spain, during the years 1805-6-7 cited there (see ). I haven't seen the book myself, so cannot cite it here.  Much detail on this is probably inappropriate to this article, but I've added a further link.

Deployment of 3rd Infantry Division (United States) 2008
This has now been reverted twice because of "lacking sources". What's wrong with the article in Army Times?--Oneiros (talk) 13:27, 12 October 2008 (UTC)


 * That's not why I reverted it. First, the 3ID is not deployed anywhere. They are at their home base of Ft. Stewart. Second, their current assignment has a long list of reasons. You are concentrating on a single line, while ignoring the rest of the duties. Looking at how you wrote this and the entry at the article about the 3ID, it is clear you want to emphasize the notion of pending martial law. I removed it because 1) there is no deployment (they are at home and 2) by failing to give the whole story, it looks like POV pushing. Niteshift36 (talk) 14:19, 12 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Look at the list of duties from the article: an on-call federal response force for natural or manmade emergencies and disasters, including terrorist attacks, to deal with potentially horrific scenarios such as massive poisoning and chaos in response to a chemical, biological, radiological, nuclear or high-yield explosive, or CBRNE, attack.

Why is it not a "deployment"? Here is what the article you cite says: "but the soldiers with 1st BCT, who returned in April after 15 months in Iraq, will operate out of their home post at Fort Stewart, Ga., where they’ll be able to go to school, spend time with their families and train for their new homeland mission as well as the counterinsurgency mission in the war zones. Stop-loss will not be in effect, so soldiers will be able to leave the Army or move to new assignments during the mission, and the operational tempo will be variable. Don’t look for any extra time off, though. The at-home mission does not take the place of scheduled combat-zone deployments and will take place during the so-called dwell time a unit gets to reset and regenerate after a deployment." They just finished a deployment. They are not considered deployed. This is their down time.

"Training for homeland scenarios has already begun at Fort Stewart and includes specialty tasks such as knowing how to use the “jaws of life” to extract a person from a mangled vehicle; extra medical training for a CBRNE incident; and working with U.S. Forestry Service experts on how to go in with chainsaws and cut and clear trees to clear a road or area."  But you don't mention this kind of thing.

There is also this blurb: ''The 1st BCT’s soldiers also will learn how to use “the first ever nonlethal package that the Army has fielded,” 1st BCT commander Col. Roger Cloutier said, referring to crowd and traffic control equipment and nonlethal weapons designed to subdue unruly or dangerous individuals without killing them.

The package is for use only in war-zone operations, not for any domestic purpose.'' "

''While soldiers’ combat training is applicable, he said, some nuances don’t apply.

“If we go in, we’re going in to help American citizens on American soil, to save lives, provide critical life support, help clear debris, restore normalcy and support whatever local agencies need us to do, so it’s kind of a different role,” said Cloutier, who, as the division operations officer on the last rotation, learned of the homeland mission a few months ago while they were still in Iraq.

Some brigade elements will be on call around the clock, during which time they’ll do their regular marksmanship, gunnery and other deployment training. That’s because the unit will continue to train and reset for the next deployment, even as it serves in its CCMRF mission.''

The article even ends with a correction note: "A non-lethal crowd control package fielded to 1st Brigade Combat Team, 3rd Infantry Division, described in the original version of this story, is intended for use on deployments to the war zone, not in the U.S., as previously stated."

But in spite of all of that, you want to mention only the idea that they could be used in a martial law type scenario. You may not be POV pushing, but it gives that appearence. Bottom line: '''They aren't deployed. They are are STAND-BY and could POSSIBLY be deployed somewhere in the US in the event of a disaster or attack. Until then, they don't belong in the list'''. Niteshift36 (talk) 14:43, 12 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Let's hope you are right.--Oneiros (talk) 14:50, 12 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Time will tell. But we can't predict it and call it fact. Sure, it's fodder for conspiracy theorists and for interesting debate, but that doesn't have a place in an encyclopedia, wouldn't you agree? I've had a personal interest in the topic of the military being used for this kind of purpose for over 20 years. I've seen MANY theories put forth and paniced (but probably well meaning) warnings. Everything from "secret concentration camps" being built underground in the Rockies to Operation Vampire Killer 2000. None of them have come to pass. So I tend to be cautious. Niteshift36 (talk) 15:11, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

Merge
I have merged List of wars involving the United States with this place and will work on incorporating some of that article's elements into this one. They were both pretty much the same article, but this one is more detailed; if we work on this article we can build a good list of American military events. No sense in having two virtually-identical articles if one will do. PBP (talk) 04:07, 14 October 2008 (UTC)

Ramsey Clark list
This is moved from another article:

Inclusionist (talk) 00:57, 12 December 2008 (UTC)

Czech?
Under 1918-1920 there is mention of Czech armies and commanders, which is in my opinion wrong; Czechoslovak would be more fitting. 78.98.36.245 (talk) 02:09, 30 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Czech is correct. That's not opinion. Here is a reference for you: . I've reverted your changes. Niteshift36 (talk) 14:09, 30 December 2008 (UTC)

Removal of information to talk page
I removed the following:


 * The bombing was retaliation for the US embargo of scrap metal and gasoline exports to Japan and the embargo on Japanese access to the Panama Canal. This in turn was a retaliation to the Japanese invasion of China during the Second Sino-Japanese War. On December 11, 1941, Hitler and Mussolini, the respective dictators of Germany and Italy, declared war on the United States. The United States responded on the same day by declaring war on Germany and Italy.  On June 5, 1942, the United states declared war with Bulgaria, Hungary and Romania.

This page is a list, each entry should be no more than 2 sentences long. Please argue the different aspects of the war on the particular pages. Ikip (talk) 00:11, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

CIA
Since November 2007, an editor has been deleting CIA entries. If this editor wants to continue to delete other editors contributions, I suggest a straw poll, because it is clear from the edit history that other editors disagree with this one editors deletions.

This is another example of an overly strict and narrow interpretation of wording as a reason to delete other editors contributions. Ikip


 * Why don't you just name me Ikip? First, deletions aren't my ONLY contribution. Second, this article, very clearly specifies Note that instances where the U.S. gave aid alone, with no military personnel involvement, are excluded.. Third, the section that you are talking about many of these deletions from leaves the instructions: Before adding an event, please check and see if the item you want to add is already in the article CIA sponsored regime change, which they all were contained in that article. All of these events are CIA events. They aren't military events. The seperate article on CIA sponsored regime change contains those events. The CIA is not the military. Further, there is a seperate article on US foreign interventions since 1945, where these items would be better suited. There is nothing "overly strict" about deleting items where no military personnel were involved from an article about the history of US MILITARY events. Nobody is suppressing the information. It's in other articles about the CIA and US, articles that include that. This is an article about the MILITARY. Those items appear, and belong, elsewhere. Niteshift36 (talk) 14:30, 19 February 2009 (UTC)
 * All these removals seem appropriate. ClovisPt (talk) 16:48, 19 February 2009 (UTC)
 * I don't agree. I'll continue thread at bottom of this talk page because of all the spam that follows.  Tempshill (talk) 04:05, 28 February 2009 (UTC)

16 November 2007 deletion of other editors contributions
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1950s

 * 1953 Operation Ajax: CIA and British MI6 successfully orchestrate the removal of democratically-elected Iranian prime minister Mohammed Mossadegh, and installs the Shah as dictator.

1960s

 * 1961 CIA involvement in the assassination of Prime Minister Patrice Lumumba of the Democratic Republic of the Congo.
 * 1961 CIA involvement in the assassination of Rafael Leónidas Trujillo, ruler of the Dominican Republic.


 * 1961 Bay of Pigs Invasion: US-sponsored failed invasion of Cuba.
 * 1961 - 1962 CIA and Department of Defense covert plans and operations against Fidel Castro.
 * The Cuban Project
 * Operation Mongoose
 * Operation Northwoods


 * 1963 -- Iraq. The C.I.A. supports a coup in Iraq against the Qassim government.


 * 1954 Operation PBSUCCESS: CIA-orchestrated overthrow of democratically-elected president Jacobo Arbenz Guzmán in Guatemala.


 * 1957 Operation ?: CIA-financed dominance of the conservative Liberal Democratic Party in the Japanese parliament.


 * 1965 - Bombings in Peru and assistance to counter-insurgency operations
 * 1965 CIA-backed coup deposes President Joseph Kasavubu of the Republic of the Congo and installs a kleptocracy ruled by the dictator Mobutu.
 * 1967 CIA-organized military operation ends in capture and execution of Che Guevara by the Bolivian Army.


 * 1963-64 CIA involvement in riots and violence in Guyana in order to undermine the Marxist People's Progressive Party and its leader, Cheddi Jagan.

1970s

 * 1970 Project FUBELT: US supported unsuccessful coup against Salvador Allende
 * 1970s Operation Condor, Latin America
 * 1979 - 1989 CIA support for the Contras. (See Iran-Contra Affair)


 * 1949 CIA helps overthrow the democratically elected government of Syria, which brings in the dictatorship of Husni al-Za'im


 * 1961-63 -- Ecuador. Ecuadorian President José María Velasco Ibarra was overthrown by a military coup in 1961 and replaced with his vice-president Carlos Julio Arosemana, who in turn was overthrown in 1963 and replaced by a more consistently anti-Communist military junta.


 * 1967 -- Greece. CIA-backed military coup ushers in Regime of the Colonels in Greece.


 * 1960s-1970s -- Italy. CIA support for Operation Gladio, which has been accused of trying to influence policies through the means of "false flag" operations. See Prime Minister Aldo Moro.


 * 1970 -- CIA support for failed coup in Italy. US embassy in Italy has been against this operation..


 * 1973 Chilean coup of 1973 (Disputed, see the article)


 * 1976 Argentine Military Coup


 * 1982-83 --Guatemala. Support for military dictator Efraín Ríos Montt in Guatemala {1982-1983.} CIA support for the coup that brought him into power.


 * 1990-91 -- Bulgaria, Albania Corruption of elections in Bulgaria in 1990 and in Albania in 1991.


 * 2002 -- Venezuela. CIA-backed and U.S. State Department-approved coup against democratically-elected President Hugo Chávez.


 * 2004 -- El Salvador. Interference in Salvadoran presidential election. US threatened to take reprisals if the country would elect the socialist candidate Schafik Handal.{{Fact|date=April 2007}


 * 2004 -- Equatorial Guinea. Support (along with Spain and Britain) for a failed coup plot against Teodoro Obiang Nguema Mbasogo.


 * 1987-88 Operation Prime Chance: Covert anti-Iranian operations in the Persian Gulf.


 * 1979–1989 Mujahideen vs. USSR in Afghanistan.


 * Pentagon-contracted advisors to Croatia prior to Operation Storm (1994)


 * Damadola airstrike (Pakistan) (2006)


 * USBATF Raid on Branch Davidians (1993)


 * 1987 --Fiji. Support to coup against Timoci Bavadra, democratically-elected Prime Minister.


 * 1991 -- Haiti. U.S. Support for ousting Jean-Bertrand Aristide.


 * 2004 -- Haiti. U.S. Support for ousting of Haitian President Jean-Bertrand Aristide. (See: 2004 Haiti rebellion) The U.S. government also threatened action against Jamaica in the event that Jamaica were to provide residence to Aristide.


 * Greek Civil War (1946-1949)


 * Green Corn Rebellion Oklahoma (1917)


 * Wounded Knee incident Wounded Knee, SD (1973)

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 * Anti-Rent War (1839–~1844)

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 * 1949 CIA helps overthrow the democratically elected government of Syria, which brings in the dictatorship of Husni al-Za'im


 * 1961-63 -- Ecuador. Ecuadorian President José María Velasco Ibarra was overthrown by a military coup in 1961 and replaced with his vice-president Carlos Julio Arosemana, who in turn was overthrown in 1963 and replaced by a more consistently anti-Communist military junta.


 * 1967 -- Greece. CIA-backed military coup ushers in Regime of the Colonels in Greece.


 * 1965 CIA-backed coup deposes President Joseph Kasavubu of the Republic of the Congo and installs a kleptocracy ruled by the dictator Mobutu.


 * 1967 CIA-organized military operation ends in capture and execution of Che Guevara by the Bolivian Army.


 * 1960s – 1970s Training and delivery of equipment to police forces in various countries, including Uruguay, by the Office of Public Safety (represented in Uruguay by Dan Mitrione)


 * 1968 -- Iraq. The C.I.A. successfully supports coup in Iraq against the government of Rahman Arif to bring the Ba'ath Party to power, with Saddam Hussein eventually taking the helm.


 * 1957 Operation ?: CIA-financed dominance of the conservative Liberal Democratic Party in the Japanese parliament.

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 * 1953 Operation Ajax: CIA and British MI6 successfully orchestrate the removal of democratically-elected Iranian prime minister Mohammed Mossadegh, and installs the Shah as dictator.


 * 1970 -- CIA support for failed coup in Italy. US embassy in Italy has been against this operation..


 * 1973 Chilean coup of 1973 (Disputed, see the article)

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 * 1966 Support for a military Argentine coup
 * Pentagon-contracted advisors to Croatia prior to Operation Storm (1994)

Due to the secretive nature of certain covert interventions, certain cases are a matter of dispute. Due to the secretive nature of certain covert interventions, certain cases are a matter of dispute.

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1950s In 1953, President Eisenhower authorized Operation Ajax, and the CIA took the lead in overthrowing the Iranian Government
 * Greek Civil War (1946-1949)

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 * 1961 CIA involvement in the assassination of Prime Minister Patrice Lumumba of the Democratic Republic of the Congo.
 * 1961 CIA involvement in the assassination of Rafael Leónidas Trujillo, ruler of the Dominican Republic.
 * 1963 -- Iraq. The C.I.A. supports a coup in Iraq against the Qassim government.
 * 1964 Brazilian Military Coup)
 * 1963-64 CIA involvement in riots and violence in Guyana in order to undermine the Marxist People's Progressive Party and its leader, Cheddi Jagan.
 * United States intervention in Chile

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 * 1970 Project FUBELT: US supported unsuccessful coup against Salvador Allende
 * 1970s Operation Condor, Latin America
 * 1976 Argentine Military Coup
 * 1982-83 --Guatemala. Support for military dictator Efraín Ríos Montt in Guatemala {1982-1983.} CIA support for the coup that brought him into power.
 * 2002 -- Venezuela. CIA-backed and U.S. State Department-approved coup against democratically-elected President Hugo Chávez.
 * 2004 -- El Salvador. Interference in Salvadoran presidential election. US threatened to take reprisals if the country would elect the socialist candidate Schafik Handal.

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 * Conch Republic (1982)

Due to the secretive nature of certain covert interventions, certain cases are a matter of dispute.

1970s

 * 1979 - 1989 CIA support for the Contras. (See Iran-Contra Affair)


 * 1987 --Fiji. Support to coup against Timoci Bavadra, democratically-elected Prime Minister.


 * 1965 - Bombings in Peru and assistance to counter-insurgency operations


 * 1990-91 -- Bulgaria, Albania Corruption of elections in Bulgaria in 1990 and in Albania in 1991.


 * 1991 -- Haiti. U.S. Support for ousting Jean-Bertrand Aristide.

1970s
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 * 1979–1989 Mujahideen vs. USSR in Afghanistan.

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User:SmashTheState contributions. 3RR violation: 1953 -- Iran. A CIA backed coup overthrows the democratically elected leader Mohammed Mosaddeq in Operation Ajax.

1954 -- Guatemala. The CIA directs exile invasion after new government nationalized U.S. company lands; bombers based in Nicaragua. 200,000 people are eventually dead in a 36 year long civil war.

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1953 Iranian coup d'état 1954 Guatemalan coup d'état

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1964 Brazilian coup d'état

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1973 Chilean coup d'état

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1976 Argentine coup

2002 Venezuelan coup d'état attempt

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 * Damadola airstrike (Pakistan) (2006)

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 * 1953 Iranian coup d'état: the CIA participates in the overthrow of the democratically-elected government of Iran.

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 * 1954 Guatemalan coup d'état: the CIA participates in the overthrow of the democratically-elected government of Guatemala.

American Revolutionary War ending date
I see that the edit summary for the recent edit where I changed the ending date for the American Revolutionary War back to 1783 got truncated. That edit summary was intended to read something like the following: Revert to date in the lead sentence of the linked article. OK, that article says, "the formal end of the war did not occur until the Treaty of Paris was signed on September 3, 1783, and the United States Congress of the Confederation ratified the treaty on January 14, 1784." it's lead sentence says "The American Revolutionary War (1775–1783) ...". -- Boracay Bill (talk) 03:42, 2 March 2009 (UTC)