Talk:Timeline of early HIV/AIDS cases

Timeline Inconsistency
The first section states that HIV-1 jumped to humans around 1908, and the second section states that it was in the 1930s. My guess is that the 1908 figure is correct, as the reference is from a peer-reviewed article in 2008 as opposed to a pop-sci article from 2006.GBMorris (talk) 01:07, 23 May 2013 (UTC)

patient zero
Are there any evidence that Gaetan Dugas refused to have protected sex after being diagnose as hiv-positive and that some of his partners actively wanted to get what he called 'gay-cancer'?


 * I think that altough he was "patient zero" to mostly AIDS cases in America's major cities, he wasn't "patient zero" to the whole world as a few other cases existed previously.


 * Dugas really had sex with the intention of harming other people? Dugas had no scientific background and, probably, did not know that his disease was a STD nor that it leads to death. This was the dawn of the AIDS age and just a few scientists thought about a relation between HIV, sex and death.


 * We're in need of reference to the claims that Dugas intended to infect other people and that he refused to have protected sex after diagnosed with HIV. He appear to be a simply scapegoat without the proper references. --Δ Mr. Nighttime Δ (talk) 19:28, 1 July 2010 (UTC)

Gaetan Dugas was never Patient Zero, He was thought to be connected to a number of early cases when researchers thought that the window between HIV infection and AIDS was two years. It was later determined that none of these early cases were connected to Gaetan Dugas. It was the greatest mistake a researcher ever made because it led to the discovery that HIV causes AIDS.

Merge?
Shouldn't this just be combined with Timeline of AIDS? Uucp 02:20, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

I don't agree. Early aids cases are a subject in their own right - although they are part of the broader picture of the timline of AIDS. MaxCosta 01:41, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

I support merging these two articles - the content of this article would add to the content of Timeline of AIDS. Having separate articles gives no apparent benefit. 124.169.22.60 (talk) 02:49, 12 November 2008 (UTC)

Response to mentions of Hooper
Hooper's theory was once more supported and was certainly worth exploring and arguing but is unpopular with most experts today. Also, PCR performed in 1993 is not valid evidence by today's medical opinion in either the case of Ardouin Antonio or Sadayo Fujisawa. A PCR today would be more ideal. A number of experts have told me this in interviews, including Fergal Hill, himself. as I am completing my book. Hooper can be applauded for his footwork and his hard work in his hunt but some critics have accused him of confirmation bias and opinionated comments made to order in an effort to disregard suspected cases so as to support his theory. Hooper is correct when he states there is no proof they had AIDS, but there is also no proof they did not have AIDS. It remains only that there is strong evidence of AIDS. On the other hand, he is highly likely correct in the cases of Larry and Alice Cameron Steele. There is no likely scenario in which AIDS would have killed off a couple ten days apart in 1964 when the couple had only been together two-and-a-half years. A case of two rapid progressors with identical progression rates is highly improbable, especially when considering both of their cases appear limited to pneumocystis pneumonia of sudden onset so rapidly resulting in death.

Sadayo Fujisawa
By whom and on what grounds was Sadayo (nee Nagano) Fujisawa removed from the history of suspected and confirmed early cases of AIDS? The same journals and sources list her that list Richard Edwin Graves and Ardouin Antonio. I am the one who found all their names, as well as Arne Vidar Roed. Why is she singled out and erased from this article? Daviddaniel37 (talk) 00:50, 3 April 2023 (UTC)

Disputed
90% of the information about the Arvid Noe and Herbert Heinrich cases comes from controversial journalist Edward Hooper's book The River. I have strong doubts about the accuracy of his allegations. In addition, there seems to be no violinist named "Herbert Heinrich". Please check the talk page for Arvid Noe for more info. --91.7.88.114 (talk) 13:23, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

What do you find controversial about Hooper? Sailors and star-bursts, and the arrival of HIV http://www.bmj.com/cgi/content/full/315/7123/1689, The Royal Society of London published Hooper in: Philosophical Transactions of the Royal Society, Series B, volume 356, 29 June 2001 http://www.uow.edu.au/arts/sts/bmartin/dissent/documents/AIDS/rs/papers/index.htm, "Experimental Oral Polio Vaccines and Acquired Immune Deficiency Syndrome" Philosophical Transactions: Biological Sciences, Vol. 356, No. 1410, Origins of HIV and the AIDS Epidemic (Jun. 29, 2001), pp. 801+803-814, Nature; Zhu T, Korber BT, Nahmias AJ, Hooper E, Sharp PM, Ho DD (1999) "An African HIV-1 sequence from 1959 and implications for the origin of the epidemic" Nature 391: 594-597 and "Dephlogistication,* Imperial Display, Apes, Angels, and the Return of Monsieur Émile Zola" in Atti dei Convegni Lincei; 2003; 187; 27-230 are all scientific publications. 124.169.22.60 (talk) 02:59, 12 November 2008 (UTC)


 * The problem is that there seem to be no references to Noe or Heinrich outside Hooper's claims. Such early AIDS cases should be referenced by somebody else in the medical literature, but there don't seem to be any such references. Heinrich, the "famous" German violinist seems to have been so famous that there are no references to him anywhere on the web as a violinist, except in relation to this claim regarding AIDS, all of which seem to source back to Hooper. These cases look very questionable indeed.82.71.30.178 (talk) 00:58, 14 December 2009 (UTC)

Randy Shilts' And The Band Played On describes a bisexual German concert violinist who died of AIDS during the early years of the epidemic. It doesn't use a name, but I think we could assume it to be Herbert Heinrich. 98.111.112.42 (talk) 00:18, 16 June 2012 (UTC)

Rename proposed
I propose renaming this article Early AIDS cases, since its format is completely different from the numerous early AIDS cases listed iin Timeline of AIDS. This article ony lists a very few cases, and it is in more of an article format than a timeline (bulleted) format. What about a rename? There keep being request to merge it into the actual Timeline article, but it's not in a timeline format. I think a rename is necessary in order to justify its existence. Softlavender (talk) 01:31, 1 March 2010 (UTC)

I DO NOT KNOW WHAT TO DO WITH THIS:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1580267/?page=1

Seems that 10 intravenous drug users were HIV positive in 1971-72.

The problem is that in 1989 none of them suffered AIDS (I do not understand how was that possible, but that´s what the article tells).

They were not "early AIDS cases", but they certainly were "early HIV infected".

Frankly, I do not know how to integrate this piece of information into the narrative of the article.

Thank you for your attention. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bubble86 (talk • contribs) 16:33, 7 September 2011 (UTC)

Paper says they were false positives i-e they did not suffer from HIV — Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.115.204.102 (talk) 20:22, 16 May 2020 (UTC)

Chronology by date of death and Gaëtan Dugas
Though the title of this article is "Timeline of early AIDS cases," it is really a timeline of early AIDS deaths, since the cases are listed chronologically by year of death. The criterion for inclusion in this list is that the person's death occurred before June 18, 1981. Therefore, Gaetan Dugas does not belong on this list. Dugas died on March 30, 1984. It's unclear why he is listed under the year 1980. While Dugas is infamous for being linked to many early AIDS cases, he wasn't an early AIDS death. Rhino79 (talk) 14:10, 4 July 2012 (UTC)

Move discussion in progress
There is a move discussion in progress on Talk:Timeline of AIDS which affects this page. Please participate on that page and not in this talk page section. Thank you. —RMCD bot 09:28, 27 May 2013 (UTC)

Hooper's nonsense should be removed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.222.32.203 (talk) 02:18, 1 May 2015 (UTC)

Sadayo Fujisawa
I've tagged Sadayo Fujisawa as original research. While we do have sources describing her disease and symptoms, I have not been able to find anything associating her disease with AIDS that didn't come from Wikipedia. I would appreciate if someone know of any sources that make this connection. Oiyarbepsy (talk) 06:40, 26 June 2020 (UTC)


 * She is listed as Sadayo F. in Edwin Hooper's The River. and H. Hamper, Varaiants of Pneumocystic Pneumonia, J Bacteriol, 1957, 74, 353-356; I spoke to Fergal Hill in 2013 and he informed me that a PCR in the late 1990s is not evidence of Sadayo not having AIDS. Not finding HIV is not the same as negative for HIV. He said he would love to do a PCR today. Daviddaniel37 (talk) 04:06, 9 October 2022 (UTC)
 * I am the one who found the full names of Sadayo F., Dick G. and Ardouin A. and unscrambled the anagram of Arne Vidar Roed. I take all this very seriously. Daviddaniel37 (talk) 04:07, 9 October 2022 (UTC)