Talk:Timeline of the January 6 United States Capitol attack

Trump deployed National Guard?
Kudos to everyone who put this article together, and continues to work on it! I added Trump's video statement to the January 7 section, and hope someone can add an approximate time. In the video, Trump claimed "I immediately deployed the National Guard and federal law enforcement to secure the building and expel the intruders." Are there any news reports that substantiate or conflict with this? Thanks again! GoingBatty (talk) 23:59, 11 January 2021 (UTC)


 * Source, Our Constitution.
 * I just need to bring up a point that no one has mentioned.
 * A sitting President CANNOT DEPLOY THE NATIONAL GUARD, it is the responsibility of the city’s Mayor, But in this case that responsibility is Mayor Bowser and (was) Speaker Pelosi in a letter sent to President Trump and many others stated the NG was not necessary and bad for optics. Which President Trump and Team First gave the ok on the 3rd or 4th up until the J6th about 2pm.
 * There’s a lot that happened up to and the day of. BUT I THOUGHT IT WAS IMPORTANT TO KNOW WHO GIVES THE OK ON DEPLOYING THE NG. 35.135.93.251 (talk) 20:47, 20 November 2023 (UTC)

C-SPAN broadcast (again)
I added a video of Senate going into recess, don't we want two House video fragments mentioned at Talk:2021 storming of the United States Capitol/Archive 9 a week ago in our timeline? Ain92 (talk) 17:00, 15 January 2021 (UTC)

4:26 PM body cam video, Rosanne Boyland
To the timeline should be added reference to the 4:26 pm body cam video where rioters are attacking police on the Capitol steps, and when Rosanne Boyland was being trampled. Assambrew (talk) 13:56, 11 February 2021 (UTC)
 * √ Done. Thank you for the suggestion.Terjen (talk) 17:09, 11 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks. The bodycam footage is also where Michael Joseph Foy allegedly appears, hitting police with a hockey stick. I found the 4:26 pm timing rather surprising, as that is well over two hours after the initial breaching of the Capitol. Assambrew (talk) 20:35, 11 February 2021 (UTC)

Very Biased Article
To describe the unarmed, 5-foot-tall Ashli Babbitt as an "insurrectionist" is obscene. The video of her shooting shows that she was shot in cold blood while climbing through a window.

And to matter of factly state that Trump repeated his "false claims" of election fraud is a biased, subjective judgment that ignores a mountain of evidence that serious election fraud occurred in several key swing states. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mikegriffith1 (talk • contribs)
 * Hey . First, in future, please try to "sign" your posts on talk pages by using four tildes ~ so we can keep track on the conversation.  Second, because Wikipedia is not a discussion forum, we don't write based on our own personal opinions, we just follow the reliable sources.  They  report Babbitt was engaged in an insurrection, but we have no reliable sources to substantiate the view that "you must be this tall to engage in insurrection".  Feoffer (talk) 00:02, 19 May 2021 (UTC)


 * Source, All Videos of the shooting.
 * If you watch the (any) video in slow motion you can clearly see she was lifted up (by 5/6 guys behind her) and pushed toward the plexiglass, then she was killed by Bird who was obviously afraid of her. 35.135.93.251 (talk) 19:14, 20 November 2023 (UTC)


 * I would have to agree that the article is biased, in spite of the ill doings and the tragedy coming from a significant portion of the "Trump" side, both in wording and in choice of events for the time line. It rules out a lot of Tweets, a lot of statements elsewhere and it allows commentary to become one sided through a biased selection of quote sources for a given moment, as well as the way quotes are snipped out of their own immediate context to be put into the narrative, and how some quotes or facts are temporarily omitted by being written up asynchronously in the article.


 * I'm not saying it's all wrong, in fact it's seemingly mostly (lets say all of it is) factual. The issue is with how the facts are presented, not that they are, and with what is entirely omitted or when.


 * These things can be fixed, but it will require a hefty amount of work. Until then, the article deserves to be marked appropriately for it's controversy and need of reorganization.


 * 83.255.180.77 (talk) 11:30, 16 May 2024 (UTC)



Incorrect attribution to Eric Herschman
Eric Hershman did NOT suggest election meddling by Venezuela (which is also misspelled in this article). If you read the source article, you will see he was reporting Powell and others had suggested this. 2601:644:302:DC50:DD70:CA9:43EB:3C37 (talk) 16:42, 19 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Thanks for pointing this out. I looked and agreed and tried to fix with this edit  ... NewsAndEventsGuy (talk) 19:07, 19 July 2022 (UTC)

Move discussion in progress
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Citing Trump's Tweets
I think it's obvious that referencing Trump's tweets is important here. However, every link to his account on twitter is dead. I've browsed a few pages and there doesn't seem to be any consistent approach to the issue. This archive appears to be committed to keeping his tweets for the historical record, but its only means of referencing individual tweets is through an API that delivers strictly JSON. There's always archive.org, I suppose. I'm very new to editing Wikipedia, what are others' thoughts on how this issue should be approached?--Gebble (talk) 21:13, 8 August 2022 (UTC)


 * Specific tweet calling for calm was at 3:13 PM EST.
 * Link to tweet is
 * https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1346912780700577792?s=19 68.100.239.41 (talk) 21:33, 7 February 2024 (UTC)


 * A tweet. And he said it many many times. I don't like the guy, but much of this "scandal" (which is like fiction based on a real, serious, and deadly event) is like the "he never denounced white supremacy" bunk.


 * Earliest tweet, in this context, was actually 2:38:58 PM EST. This should be included in a more complete time line, for sure.


 * 83.255.180.77 (talk) 08:01, 16 May 2024 (UTC)



"Missing" three hours
What does this mean? The text should clarify. Feoffer (talk) 21:10, 14 October 2022 (UTC)

Reversion
Hello User:Valjean This edit is certainly not vandalism. Invasive Spices (talk) 18:27, 2 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Okay...?? You deleted a large part of the article (32,794‎ bytes), including the Notes, References, and External links sections, as well as all the Categories. What were you doing? A better edit summary would have been nice. Have you looked at the state of the article after your massive deletion? Take a look at the bottom. -- Valjean (talk) (PING me) 20:08, 2 February 2023 (UTC)
 * PING Invasive Spices -- Valjean (talk) (PING me) 21:20, 2 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Bizarre. You saved the page from disaster.
 * Would you object if I add the anchors again but without destroying the page?
 * [I was about to venture a guess that my  was interrupted but then I checked. I do have the edit window open all this time and I see now that my version also has this problem. I suppose this means WP was interrupted while giving me the wikicode.]
 * Invasive Spices (talk) 21:34, 2 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Shit happens. Go ahead and do what you intended. Have a good day. -- Valjean (talk) (PING me) 21:49, 2 February 2023 (UTC)
 * I have done so without defecating everywhere this time. Invasive Spices (talk) 22:27, 3 February 2023 (UTC)

Worst single riot in US history?
I've been trying to source as to which single riot (one event, spanning less than a day) would be the worst, with particular emphasis on injured officers. Unfortunately Google doesn't seem to intuit keywords/phrases well enough to tease out single riots and police, etc. casualties. This one is reported to have caused >100 injuries to officers, with one of the injured assured that the figure might be in the hundreds.

Perhaps someone with better research smarts can come up with something more definitive. If J6 was the worst in police/military riot injuries, it's a factoid worth placement in the article. JohndanR (talk) 04:55, 4 August 2023 (UTC)


 * I don't know if that would be the case or not, but here is at least https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_incidents_of_civil_unrest_in_the_United_States (sorry for poor link format, haven't been active) to consider. Most "similar" events, like the Black Panthers arriving in the capitol with their arms and never being let into the chambers, never lead to them being intentionally let in anywhere not already legally allowed and no clash then took place with the police. 83.255.180.77 (talk) 08:56, 16 May 2024 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 15 January 2024
I propose that the following text be replaced: The next day, Capitol Police officer Brian Sicknick died after suffering two strokes, having been physically attacked and pepper sprayed during the riot.

Substitute with perhaps: The next day, Capitol Police officer Brian Sicknick died of natural causes after suffering two strokes. Sicknick had been pepper sprayed by a protester during the riot however that was found not to be contributing factor in his death.

https://archive.md/20210421150320/https://www.wsj.com/articles/officer-brian-sicknick-what-we-know-about-his-death-11619010119

The associated references have now been identified as significantly innacurate news articles and might be worthwhile removing. "[11][12][13][14]"

News article factual inaccuracies surrounding the Sicknick events are detailed at length in this Wikipedia page. I believe that applies to those references. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Brian_Sicknick Ajg90 (talk) 09:39, 15 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the template. Shadow311 (talk) 19:47, 18 January 2024 (UTC)

Iconography of "noose in front of capitol"-image appears completely unexplained and thus runs into dog whistle territory
Unless I missed it, this needs fixing for objectivity.

83.255.180.77 (talk) 08:08, 16 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Sourced text has been added, thanks for point out its absence. Feoffer (talk) 08:49, 16 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Thank you! 83.255.180.77 (talk) 11:31, 16 May 2024 (UTC)

The term "delay" the count appears to lack context and insinuate motive that runs counter to what is openly stated
"8:17 a.m.: Trump tweets allegations of vote fraud and asks Pence to delay the electoral count:"

While technically accurate that it would "delay", this does not automatically mean that the actual terminology used or the underlying motive, neither communicated or not, was simply a delay. Instead, it has been stated that it is to "try" (see "trial by combat") the election results legally and attempt a recount or even revote.

I don't agree with the decision to attempt either. Just want to make sure this article stays objective.

83.255.180.77 (talk) 08:12, 16 May 2024 (UTC)


 * Delay is well-sourced and we include the full text of the tweet as a block quote, so readers can verify for themselves.  Feoffer (talk) 08:31, 16 May 2024 (UTC)


 * I agree that it is. Simply not about the presentation. It is good that there are as many sources and direct quotes, with full context and follow up, as possible. 83.255.180.77 (talk) 11:38, 16 May 2024 (UTC)

"Hang Mike Pence"
The January 6 mob (in)famously chanted "Hang Mike Pence!" The article makes no mention of this. It seems to me that it should. Is there a known time at which the mob chanted this? Krakatoa (talk) 00:49, 14 June 2024 (UTC)


 * I added Cassidy Hutchinson's overhearing of the word "hang".  The committee video of the big crowd chanting "Hang Mike Pence" appears to be after rotunda doors are opened, so after the tweet.   Feoffer (talk) 02:52, 15 June 2024 (UTC)