Talk:Timothy Dalton

Nationality
Can anyone explain to me why it says 'English actor' even though he was born in Wales? I understand that his ancestors comes from Norfolk, England and that Timothy moved away from Wales after he was 4 but wouldn't that mean he's Welsh? or even Anglo-Welsh? you cannot alter where you were born.


 * Birth doesn't equate to nationality (e.g: Christian Bale, Emma Watson etc.) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sellsomepapers (talk • contribs) 17:42, 10 July 2018 (UTC)


 * On an official documentary I'm watching right now, "The Untold Story of 007", Dalton is called Welsh. He appears in interviews and presumably didn't object.

English or Welsh?
1st. a cite is needed for the interview where he says he is English. 2nd. He was born in Wales. That makes him Welsh. For the above reasons I am accepting the IP's (93.35.189.94) edit. L3X1 (talk) 15:32, 14 January 2017 (UTC)


 * He considers himself to be English. (86.158.163.200 (talk) 15:01, 15 May 2017 (UTC))


 * I haven't found a source that says either way which he considers himself to be. I'd propose using this formulation from the Simple English Wikipedia: "... is a Welsh-born British actor". Since he was born in Wales, and both Welsh and English people are British, it should avoid the back-and-forth we have at the moment. Mortee (talk) 19:23, 21 July 2018 (UTC)


 * "Welsh-born English" would be more accurate.Sellsomepapers (talk) 14:40, 22 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Why not simply put “British”? That’s what the nationality field on his passport says. Writing “Welsh-born whatever” implies that held Welsh citizenship at some time and renounced it in favor of another (like his well-known 007 colleague Irish-born American Pierce Brosnan did). None of which is true.Tvx1 00:07, 24 August 2018 (UTC)
 * The page still lists him as "English" despite neither of the sources provided showing him actually calling himself English. I maintain Welsh is most accurate, but that British is clearly the least controversial term to use in this case. PseudoGenie (talk) 15:04, 28 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Welsh seems to be inaccurate as Dalton himself says, he as merely born there by happenstance, to an English father, the source provided in the lede.Halbared (talk) 15:29, 28 June 2022 (UTC)
 * https://www.greatbritishlife.co.uk/people/celebrity-interviews/22567533.james-bond-actor-timothy-dalton-proud-belper-roots/
 * Here, he very politely and diplomatically says he does not consider himself Welsh. Alooulla (talk) 01:38, 26 February 2023 (UTC)

Of course being born in Wales does not make him Welsh. By this logic, the most famous Welsh politician of all time, former Prime Minister David Lloyd George was English because he was born in Manchester, England. Was David Lloyd George English? No. Timothy Dalton is a Welsh-born British actor of English, Italian and Irish descent. If the article is to reflect reality in any way, this is how it should read. However, if Mr Dalton sees himself as Welsh and is proud of his birthplace, that might change things.


 * The custom on Wikipedia is always to identify as English, Welsh, Scottish rather than "British". With this said, I've edited it to be British as it's the only 'correct' option available at this time. Disclaimer: I've never studied Timothy Dalton's ethnicity and I'm unsure how he would describe it. Apples&#38;Manzanas (talk) 07:50, 9 May 2020 (UTC)
 * is wrong in that the convention is to refer to people as British unless they clearly identify with (or are clearly identified in reliable sources with) one or other of the four countries. So, "British" is fine in this case.  Ghmyrtle (talk) 08:15, 9 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Ah I see, all good then. Apples&#38;Manzanas (talk) 08:17, 9 May 2020 (UTC)
 * I know this argument is pretty much open and shut at this point but I'd just like to point out how unintelligent the term "Welsh-born British actor" sounds to anyone that understands the relationship between Welsh and British. Wales is a subdivision of the UK; so to call him a "Wales-born Brit" implies the two are completely separate identities. It doesn't imply that he 'renounced' his Welsh citizenship (there's no such thing) in favour of a British one. He's British whether regardless if considers himself to be Welsh, English, both or neither. In my head it's akin to calling George Lucas a California-born American or Leonard Cohen a Quebec-born Canadian. Afreoleidddra (talk) 00:38, 17 February 2021 (UTC)

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 * Timothy Dalton, 1987 filming of The Living Daylights.webp

Mother's ancestry
Dorothy Joan Scholes was born in 1922, in Oldham, Lancashire, England, United Kingdom as the daughter of William Scholes and Frances "Fanny" Walker. She married Peter Dalton-Leggett in 1941, in Manchester, Lancashire, England, United Kingdom. https://www.familysearch.org/tree/person/about/LRCQ-F3W

When William Scholes was born in 1886, in Lancashire, England, United Kingdom, his father, Thomas Scholes, was 34 and his mother, Hannah G. Isherwood, was 33. He married Frances "Fanny" Walker on 17 January 1920, in Werneth, Lancashire, England, United Kingdom. They were the parents of at least 1 daughter. He lived in Sharples, Lancashire, England, United Kingdom in 1891. https://www.familysearch.org/tree/person/about/LRCQ-YF4

His mother wasn't American and she was of English ancestry. 78.201.41.64 (talk) 15:34, 31 May 2024 (UTC)