Talk:Timothy Ely

I have added a significant number of referenced to Tim Ely's self-published blog which gives biographical background. Hoping this begins to alleviate the problems with the page. Dsgarnett (talk) 18:17, 29 April 2019 (UTC) dsgarnett

I have been in discussions with MrOllie about this page and his concerns about my involvement. My work is on behalf of the Timothy Ely — the subject of this BLP. My goal is simply to get accurate depth onto the page — including if anyone would like to add additional opinions about Mr. Ely's work.

For clarity, I help him with his Blog as well — but this is not "for fee" work. We are old friends and I bring help to him in this kind of work. That said, I am not being paid either directly or indirectly for assisting him with his Wikipedia page. (My income sources are elsewhere.)

Please let me know if you have concerns.

Dsgarnett (talk) 00:12, 21 February 2020 (UTC)dsgarnett

I recommend adding the following as it uses independent sources which discuss Mr. Ely's work to help the Wikipedia reader understand his unique imagery:

The Books
Ely took to book binding "because he wanted an efficient means of presenting his drawings, regarding the book as a 'looking-at' machine." His first experience making a book was at age 12 in 1961.

Yale art historian Johanna Drucker discusses Ely's work in her chapter titled "The Book as a Rare and/or Auratic Object" where she observes Ely's works “suggest a world in which the book is an artifact of wisdom,… secret and precious, available to the initiate rather than the casual or widespread reader” Much of Ely’s work is annotated with his own glyphs he calls “cribriform.” This has been described as a form of mystical text "a hybrid of scripts by ancient scribes, engravers and calligraphers, Chinese characters, ciphers, Egyptian heiroglyphics, cryptographs, codes and various secret writings."

Johanna Drucker suggests the impact from these works “comes in part from the sense that one is holding an original manuscript in ones hands.”

Study and Training
Dsgarnett (talk) 01:47, 21 February 2020 (UTC)

COI and edit warring
I've taken a look at this and as far as I can see we have an editor who has properly declared a COI and two editors who have reverted any changes. The proper process here is for the editor to request those edits on the talk page - as far as I can see the one requested is properly referenced and adds value to the article so unless there are issues with the material I propose to add it in. I'll also place a note on the editor's talk page to advise on the process if someone else hasn't already done so -Snowded TALK 08:16, 23 February 2020 (UTC)

Waiting for Action on Recommended Changes
I continue to await action on my recommended changes above and on which Dave Snowden has commented. As I do not know what to expect on talk pages, would appreciate hearing from anyone who can suggest how long these talk page discussions should take. Dsgarnett (talk) 00:12, 11 May 2020 (UTC)dsgarnett