Talk:Timothy Stoen

Origination
I started this page. I will also add more references.Mosedschurte (talk) 08:00, 21 September 2008 (UTC)

Peoples Temple related articles
Over the last few months, I've added a lot of sources and material to several articles that lacked sourcing, stated incorrect facts (and conspiracy theories) and skipped over large sections of the most notable history.

As it stands now, the current articles most heavily related to the Peoples Temple and surrounding events:
 * Jim Jones - major focus - the personal life of Jim Jones, the Jones family and Jones' leadership of the Peoples Temple. Summary only for other material. This article needs major expansion on Jones' early life and I am going to start working on that.
 * Peoples Temple- major focus - the creation, organization, operation of the Peoples Temple, as well as life therein. Summary only for other material.  This article needs major expansion on 1955-1975, and I am going to start working on that.
 * Timothy Stoen - major focus - the life of Timothy Stoen, with a description of the key John custody battle & Concerned Relatives. Summary only for other material.
 * Peoples Temple in San Francisco - major focus - The Temple's move to urban San Francisco, as directed by Jones in 1975 for a variety of reasons and the changes that occurred, the political support and election material (old Political alliances article partially merged), the Temple's activities at the Housing Authority, major San Francisco defections that significantly effected its history, it's National of Islam/ Symbianese Liberation Army issues, the various conspiracy theories it saw there (Blackwell Wright, Dennis Banks/Conn and Stennis), the increasing urban media scrutiny that eventually caused the exodus, what happened to Geary Boulevard facility and members post-exodus, what happened at that facility after Jonestown, etc.
 * Jonestown - major focus- the creation, activities at and tragedy at Jonestown. Summary only for other material.. Note: I'm considering creating a specific "Tragedy at Jonestown"(see below) article that will go into more detail about that (Nov. 15-18), and then expanding Jonestown to include more of the 1974-October 1978 material, because there is a lot that happened there.

New articles coming:
 * Either Tragedy at Jonestown or Jonestown before the tragedy (one of these two only) - as discussed above, the "Tragedy at Jonestown" (if that's chosen) would focus on the large number of events that occurred between November 15 and November 18. Lots of events occurred in both Georgetown and Jonestown that are not at all in the article or covered now in only a very summary matter.  More importantly, this would allow the expansion of the Jonestown article to include all of the events that occurred there between 1974-Nov. 14 1978 (with the obvious emphasis on Sept. 1977-Nov.1978).  Possible Alternative -Jonestown before the tragedy - this would instead focus upon the 1974-Nov. 14 1978 events, and they would be reduced in the Jonestown article to just a summary.  The Jonestown article would remain the main article addressing the events of November 15-November 18.
 * Concerned Relatives (Peoples Temple) - this would focus upon the group of Concerned Relatives (Katsaris, Mills', Stoens, etc.), the many lawsuits brought against the Temple (and the Temple's defense with Garry, Lane, etc.), with additional coverage of individual efforts to oppose the Temple by relatives and former members (Gang of 8, Sandy Rozynko, etc.) before the Concerned Relatives began to come together in Sept. 1977. It would probably also touch upon the odd Joe Mazor incidents.
 * Michael Prokes - Prokes life, from CBS reporter to Jones right hand man in politics, public relations and administration, relationships (with Jones himself, Carolyn Layton, etc.), eventual bagman for over $7 million in funds to the Soviet embassy on the day of the tragedy and his eventual suicide at a press conference he called in Modesto in 1979 reading a statement siding with Jones and the Temple.Mosedschurte (talk) 14:25, 22 September 2008 (UTC)

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 * Added rationale on image page.Mosedschurte (talk) 22:53, 24 October 2008 (UTC)

OTRS notice
I removed several text passages that were potentially libelous and partly speculative, as they purport to summarize the subject's motivation in diverse cirumstances. Even if some of these statements are sourced, they remain libelous and speculative. The same applies to the alleged mindset of several other perons mentioned in the (far too detailed) account. Please do not revert these edits. Asav | Talk (Member of the OTRS Volunteer Response Team) 01:45, 29 August 2012 (UTC)

If it's sourced, include it. Before deleting a bunch of stuff it'd be nice for you to explain what's wrong with the sources. 170.3.8.253 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 20:57, 5 November 2012 (UTC)

The greatest single loss of American civilian life in a non-natural disaster until the incidents of September 11, 2001?
How do you define a "non natural" disaster? What about the 1,021 who died in the [General Slocum] disaster? That wasn't deliberate, but it's hard to see how it could be called "natural".
 * It's typically described as the greatest single deliberate loss of American civilian life. Accidents and natural disasters are not deliberate. Piratesswoop (talk) 02:23, 10 November 2021 (UTC)