Talk:Tina Fey/Archive 1

Religion
Am I correct in thinking that on Weekend Update Tina Fey recently executed the sign of the cross in the manner used in the Greek Orthodox Church, touching her right shoulder first (as opposed to the Roman Catholic manner in which the left shoulder comes first)? Asserting her Greekness? Also, is she in any way a religious person? (I know she got married in a Greek Orthodox church, but often people who are not particularly religious nonetheless get married in a church.) Michael Hardy 23:14, 25 Oct 2004 (UTC)


 * She is a scientologist.


 * I highly doubt she's a scientologist as she rips into Tom Cruise frequently.


 * That isn't mean she's not a scientologist; cruise isn't their diety 0.o Christians make fun of Jerry Falwell. --Froth 05:12, 21 May 2006 (UTC)
 * nothing on the web supports this claim. Joeyramoney 06:41, 25 July 2006 (UTC)


 * crap like this makes you wish you could delete discussions. Give any evidence at all before you look stupid 24.210.46.182 18:14, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

Mean Girls
What? No mention of her Screenplay MEAN GIRLS?!?

Feminism
The article makes no mention of feminism, yet is listed in Category:feminists. Any takers on a source? Avriette 03:59, 11 January 2006 (UTC)


 * For informations sake, that category was added in this revision. Qutezuce 04:02, 11 January 2006 (UTC)


 * just read it last month - in Salon she says "Either I'm a true feminist, or I have the worst show business instincts of anyone I know." Kingturtle 10:04, 11 January 2006 (UTC)

Scar
Where did the scar on her left cheek came from anyway?


 * She never tells.Poisonouslizzie 03:20, 9 April 2006 (UTC)


 * That Scar is hot!!!--205.188.116.11 08:41, 16 April 2006 (UTC)


 * This woman is HOT!!!  Totally sexy.   I'd worship her 'noonie'.


 * I had read somewhere that it was from an accident that happened to her as a child and she doesn't talk about it out of deference to her parents. 68.187.198.235 02:49, 17 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Who cares? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.166.123.147 (talk) 17:46, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

Her contract.

 * Could someone please add information regarding how much longer she is under contract to be on SNL?--Josh 00:01, 4 April 2006 (UTC)


 * I think Saturday 5/20/06 was her last SNL episode.. they had a tribute during Weekend Upate and at the end she wore a T-shirt that said Thank You. She has a sitcom premiering on NBC in the Fall .. can't do both! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.200.116.136 (talk • contribs)

Table
what's up with that big table at the bottom? WU is just one of her skits, that info doesn't need its own table. not to mention that info is mentioned 5 or 6 times throughout the article. Froth 05:10, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

Leaving SNL to work on 30 Rock
There are clues that Fey has left SNL from the May 20, 2006 show (as mentioned above), but a reliable source is needed. I just checked her NBC bio and Google News, and found nothing. I'll mark the statement as needing a source. 66.167.252.127 20:13, 28 May 2006 (UTC).

UPDATE
She is definitely leaving Saturday Night Live to begin her work on 30 Rock. She just stated that on Jay Leno's The Tonight Show.

Citation Crazy
It appears someone has gone citation crazy on this page. Many of the statements were well in need of a citation, but saying that stating she starred in Martin & Orloff needs a citation goes a little too far. Either she did or she didn't, and it should be commonly known which one is true. Citations are designed to provide support for questionable or obscure facts, not as requirement for every declarative statement made. --Astarf 08:08, 2 July 2006 (UTC)

Last real talent leaving
For a long time SNL has been losing its edge and with the loss of Tina Fey, the decline is sure to continue. Do they not know talent anymore? The only people who pop up there now seem to expect to become stars immediately. Just not happening for most unless someone feels bad for them. Perhaps SNL will end and MadTV will take over the talent reins. Tina you will be missed. --64.12.116.11 14:52, 24 July 2006 (UTC)Penny

Really? I think shes about as funny as brain cancer. SNL hasn't been funny for years. ʄ! •¿talk?  04:23, 18 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Well, brain cancer is pretty fucking funny, if you ask me. -R. fiend (talk) 05:01, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

formatting
the formatting of this page is allllll goofed up. i tried editing it but gave up; i don't know where things are supposed to go, and some refs get cut in half, and etc. hopefully someone can fix this up --dan 20:45, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

La chica genio de Saturday Night Live
While updating 30 Rock, I came across this somewhat entertaining description of Fey and her new show:
 * Tina Fey, la chica genio de Saturday Night Live escribe, produce y protagoniza en un set de comedia detrás de las cámaras de un programa de variedades de televisión donde Alec Baldwin es el jefe más disfuncional que alguien pueda desear. (from Sony Entertainment TV's Synopis of 30 Rock).

"La chica genio de Saturday Night Live"...66.167.253.21 02:50, 2 December 2006 (UTC).

Aqua Teen Hunger Force Colon Movie For Theaters
She did the voice of the 9-layer bean burrito (Frylock's mother) in the movie. It's about 3 lines of dialog. Should that be included on the article page? 76.66.7.22 17:00, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

Fair use rationale for Image:Tinafey-snl-hd-20051001.jpg
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 * I'm going to look for a cc-by licensed image. best, Joe —Preceding unsigned comment added by Joebeone (talk • contribs) 22:41, 17 November 2007 (UTC)


 * I've found a CC-licensed image of Tina Fey that I'll add in a few days unless someone objects... it's not as good as the one we have now, but it has a known pedigree and the photographer has agreed to relicense under CC-attribution. -- Joebeone (Talk) 17:10, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

Writer Strike
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20071105/ap_on_bi_ge/hollywood_labor

Anyone know her situation/opinion of the strike? She's with the picketers, but she's still on 30 Rock? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.220.2.188 (talk) 19:17, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
 * She was contractually obligated to perform her duties as producer on 30 rock during the strike, but was picketing as a member of the WGA. &mdash; AM K 1211 t a lk! 14:56, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

cleaning up cites
Hi, I'm going to spend some time going through the cites for this article... I won't do anything substantive, just recast existing cites where needed into citation templates. Joebeone (Talk) 17:25, 17 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Citations are now groomed into cite templates. Joebeone (Talk) 22:31, 17 November 2007 (UTC)

Filmography
Should we add a filmography to make her film + tv appearances more clear? (Wikirocks2 00:29, 4 December 2007 (UTC))

NPOV
I believe that the quote "...on AfterEllen.com, the top website for queer (LGBT) women." includes NPOV in judging AfterEllen.com as the "top" website for queer women. I will change it to read "...on AfterEllen.com, a website for queer (LGBT) women." If anybody would like to add a reference of this site as the most widely-visited queer women's site or something similar (if it is so), I have to objection to saying so. ~TheXRayStyle (talk) 12:35, 16 December 2007 (UTC)

Tina Fey to Host First SNL back from Writer's Strike
If everyone thinks this is notable, TV Guide reports that SNL is returning Feb 23, with Tina Fey hosting. Here's the reference: SNL to Return Feb 23, With Tina Fey Hosting.

Tubesurfer (talk) 16:56, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

External link to ZotFish?
Hi, I was wondering if it would be appropriate for someone to add an external link to the ZotFish page for Tina Fey?. I believe it's of genuine interest to readers, but I want to make sure I follow Wikipedia policy and not post it myself -- more info on the site can be found at Mashable.

Zotman (talk) 03:44, 1 June 2008 (UTC)
 * The site violates WP:ELNO, and should not be added to the article. --- Barek (talk • contribs) - 15:22, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

Tina Fey Returns to SNL
Someone apparently updated article by overwriting part of the section on 30 Rock. I have no idea if this is true but would recommend someone fix this. I would fix it myself but every time I edit Wiki I get nailed to the floor by some pompus Wiki editor. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.135.148.118 (talk) 21:57, 13 September 2008 (UTC)

Media box
While archiving, I saw that someone had brought this up a couple years ago, with no response noted. The use of this media box to show her years doing Weekend Update is inappropriate. Weekend Update is a weekly recurring comedy sketch based on news, it is not a legitimate media news broadcast. The media box is expressly for people holding posts in the media. While a succession box would be fine for this, the Template:S-media is not. Wildhartlivie (talk) 04:51, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

Vandalism on page
Just checked out the Tina Fey article and it's filled with sexual references and innuendos. I'm new and don't know how to report vandalism, can someone help?

Katclabo (talk) 19:33, 22 September 2008 (UTC)

SNL Palin pictures

 * note: this is cross-posted at Talk:Saturday Night Live parodies of Sarah Palin

Any reason there are two different screenshots uploaded (File:SNL Palin Clinton.png and File:Fey Poehler as Palin Clinton.png) and used in different articles? Since these are not free, wouldn't it be better to only have one? That would make it easier to keep track of where it's used. r ʨ anaɢ talk/contribs 05:07, 20 September 2009 (UTC)

Photo
The photo with the caption "Fey filming an episode of 30 Rock at Rockefeller Center in October 2007" looks like a montage when examined in full size, but the source doesn't have this problem. Can someone check it out? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.139.159.111 (talk) 21:39, 13 September 2010 (UTC)
 * It appears that the source can be found here. Looks like the photographer took the picture from a distance, and against the white ice rink, the subject was dark.  Seems that the image was altered for increased brightness, though that alone doesn't seem like grounds to call it a fake photo.  Someone had taken the picture off Tina's page, but I restored it.  I think it's still worthy of inclusion, even if the brightness was increased.--MikeUMA (talk) 04:12, 7 October 2010 (UTC)
 * So they tweaked the contrast. I don't see why that should matter. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 04:19, 7 October 2010 (UTC)

Sorry I removed the image without checking the talk page first, but now that I have been corrected I will address my issue: the problem isnt that its a "fake photo" or that someone tweaked the contrast per se, its that they did it so amateurishly that the photo looks sloppy and fake. This image is not of the quality that wikipedia should be aiming to use. If it were the only free image, or the only free image of tina fey only, etc, then I would be ok with using it. As there are several other much better images already included in the article, this image should be removed, and in my opinion, deleted altogether. as far as "consensus" goes, I would direct your attention to the discussion page of the WP image where the unanimous opinion of five users (apparently ignorant of the appropriate channels necessary to delete a photo) was to delete the image. It doesn't add anything valuable, as there are already multiple images of Fey in the article (please correct me if there is something specific that it adds); it in fact detracts from the article due to the poor quality of the image doctoring. -- InspectorTiger (talk) 22:14, 1 November 2010 (UTC)
 * It's in the eye of the beholder. I like it better than several of the photos that are in the article. And if you think attractiveness of a photo is a criterion for inclusion or exclusion, you must not have seen the photo they used to use in the Carmen Electra page:File:Tara Leigh Patrick cropped.jpg ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 01:30, 2 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, quality of photo editing is not. There are big white chunks around her hair where she was obviously cut out, her legs have both big dark strips and white chunks around them, and the mittens are outrageously bright.  At no point in my comment did I mention the "attractiveness" of the photo, I actually agree it is a nice shot and would add something to the article if it were properly brightened.  But as is it is not of encyclopedic quality due to the photo editing.  --InspectorTiger (talk) 01:52, 5 November 2010 (UTC)
 * This being a free-content site, quality is not a high priority. The editing brings out her facial features better, and your eyes are apparently much sharper than mine to find those other details. I downloaded the original, which obviously took its auto-brightness from the snow and made her too dark; and in the Windows picture handler, 1 click to "auto correct" improved the photo without doing any artificial cut-and-paste. Would you approve of a photo like that which was simply brightened but not otherwise altered? ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 05:08, 5 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Here is a cropped version of the autocorrected photo. Not as bright as the photoshopped version, but better than the original, yes? ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 06:38, 5 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Hey. It seems you really want to leave the image in, so I'm going to drop my objection to it for now and suggest that you submit it at the WP:Graphic Lab which is the project that is designed to be the place where experts in this kind of photo modification volunteer their services.  I'm not sure how responsive they are over there or exactly how the project works but I have seen some of the work they have done in other articles I've worked on and it's pretty solid.  I want to apologize if my earlier comments were overly critical, but this image has been commented on by multiple users (at least two here and several more on talk page of the image ) and really ought to be fixed.
 * A side note, the "autocorrect" button means that the computer cuts out the section of the image, brightens it, and then puts it back. it's the same process as cutting it out yourself, making a new layer, etc. just automated.  That's also probably why the cut-out job was so sloppy.  If you seriously don't see what i'm talking about blow the image up to full size; you really can't miss it.  -- InspectorTiger (talk) 15:08, 5 November 2010 (UTC)

Please undo revert on this IP address: Source is television show and date & this is a public comp with limits
I'm identifying myself as Julzes. At present I do not have ready access to a computer that permits me to remain logged in. The revert in question is a direct quote from a television show that may be located by the date given, and therefore is sourced directly in that fashion. The proper procedure should be to place a citation-needed marker, which would allow a grunt here with greater computer facility to locate the item for linked viewing. Thank you.173.15.152.77 (talk) 02:42, 11 May 2011 (UTC)

As you might infer from edits, I thought my undo didn't take because I undid some other revert. In any case, please allow myself or someone else an opportunity to get this if it is 'YouTube-able' or something (place a citation-needed marker if one really is for a date-given television show).173.15.152.77 (talk) 02:51, 11 May 2011 (UTC)


 * It's unsourced trivia and there's no rush to get it into article without proper sources and context. Lots of people say things about Fey. Why is this notable? -- Neil N   talk to me  03:44, 11 May 2011 (UTC)

I don't know how you define 'unsourced' and the subject of the show 'Hardball' is debate on American politics on a 5-hours-per-week basis (so not trivial). However, tomorrow I will improve the item to a greater length if possible. The impersonation included 'the media twisting my words by quoting me verbatim', for example.Julzes (talk) 21:03, 11 May 2011 (UTC)

Birth Year
This article currently lists the subject's birth year as 1971 in the article header and 1970 in the caption under her picture. Does anyone have a reliable source as to which is correct?BoojumSnark27 (talk) 06:28, 13 May 2011 (UTC)
 * I have added IMDb as a source. I realize it is not the best source, but until another is found, it can do. --BweeB (talk) 08:17, 13 May 2011 (UTC)

Fey's Picture
Fey's picture at the top should be swapped with the later one, on account of the fact that the top one is actually a picture of a horse, and someone is vandalizing the page by posting horse pictures.(Raskeh (talk) 08:20, 21 December 2008 (UTC))
 * I'm not sure what do you mean by "horse's picture". Both pictures are perfectly fine and the one in the infobox at present is the latest one. LeaveSleaves talk 04:54, 22 December 2008 (UTC)

I kind of agree with Raskeh, minus the horse part. Not that it's a necessitiy, but the picture could probably be swapped for something else that doesn't look as bad. Jpmcruiser (talk) 13:17, 13 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep in mind that Raskeh was referring to this image, not the current one. --  ThinkBlue   (Hit   BLUE)  18:19, 13 July 2010 (UTC)
 * That picture is extremely photogenic/flattering by any standard. You'd be hard pressed to find a better picture of anyone. It's probably a headshot. It shows the scar on her face very well also. I only looked her up on Wikipedia today since she's been appearing on Comedy Central commercials about the syndication of 30 Rock on that channel. I was surprised to notice such a visible scar on the face of a leading actress. I wonder if movies try to obscure the scar with makeup or decide not to. It's probably a noteworthy precedent/achievement/whatever for women in such a superficial industry. Possibly worth more than a blurb if there is any discussion about it in "acceptable" sources.--12.213.80.55 (talk) 06:32, 8 November 2011 (UTC)

"Don't make my Palin impression last 4 years"
Okay, so this edit of mine is being contested and I'd like explain my reason to want to keep it.

Original text: Fey implored people to make sure that her role as Palin would not be more long-term, saying "I want to be done playing this lady November 5. So if anyone could help me be done playing this lady November 5, that would be good for me."

My revision: Fey implored people to not vote Republican, saying "I want to [...] good for me"

The reason for my change, Fey doesn't care how long she does the Palin impression as a matter of personal interest, and in fact probably would like to keep doing it since it's enormously popular and she gets nothing but praise for her talent. Therefore, the quote "I want to be done playing this lady in November" is not a statement about her request for playing characters so much as a request for political action. This is very explicitly wrapped up in her "so if anyone could help" sentence afterward.

No one reading this would guess what how she conveyed "Don't vote Republican" when the direct and complete quote is right there. I'd like to change this back, maybe with the slight revision of:

Fey implored people to not vote Republican, by saying "I want to [...] good for me"

Thanks. Cheers.--Loodog (talk) 04:08, 29 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Okay, you are drawing too many implied meanings from her statement. Trying to interpret what Fey meant from her statement would be somewhat of an original research. And since there's is no clear declaration about on her political stand, it'd be out of place to explicitly state it here. LeaveSleaves (talk) 04:22, 29 September 2008 (UTC)


 * I beg to differ. It's obvious what she means.  She "is obviously not a Palin fan".  Statement was "what she really thinks of the vice presidential candidate.".  With "November 4" "Fey is making a reference to the election"  "Fey was to the point in her opinion about the NRA member who is a staunch pro-lifer.", followed by the "I want to be done playing this lady" quote.


 * "So if anyone could help me be done playing this lady November 5..." She is explicitly asking for people to assist ("help me") in a particular election ("November 5") result. The number of ways I can think of for this to happen is limited: (1) Palin is killed specifically on election day (which I don't think Fey would ask for), (2) Palin is withdrawn as VP pick on election day (which very few people are in a position to "help" make happen), (3) McCain is not elected president on election day.  One of these results is the blindingly obvious one being requested by Fey.--Loodog (talk) 04:50, 29 September 2008 (UTC)


 * You have to stop interpreting the meanings and write the statement as it is. It isn't our place to analyze her statements. As for the references you mentioned above, none of them have a different remark than the one given in the present reference. And explicit means explicit, exact words of you claim, not an interpretation. LeaveSleaves (talk) 05:02, 29 September 2008 (UTC)


 * The sources I mention are sane people who have also, in your words, commited original research, yet gotten published in established media.


 * 1. Explicitly, she says"help me be done playing this lady November 5". To any reasonable person, what else could she be possibly asking for?


 * And just to explain that I'm not taking liberties, I'm not claiming she's requesting a vote for a Democrat over Nader. I'm only claiming what any reasonable person thinks she means.


 * 2. I mean, we could get really deconstructivist on this and say that anything time one person thinks he knows what another person means when something is said is commiting interpretation, yet we can claim in our article that the Obama speech A More Perfect Union is about racial tensions, white privilege, and race and inequality. He never explicitly says, "My speech is about racial tensions" so really us writing that is interpreting his words.  My point: as far as we can ever say what anyone means about anything when talking, we know Fey is requesting votes not be placed for the Republican party.  See point 1.  Within reasonable doubt, what else could she mean?


 * --Loodog (talk) 05:26, 29 September 2008 (UTC)
 * First, this isn't a place to discuss other articles, your issues about that article may be discussed on relevant talk page. And please note that the statement on that article you mentioned is well referenced, unlike your statement here, which is an interpretation of your own. This isn't a place for publication of personal thoughts or reasoning but an encyclopedia, and hence different from the sources you mentioned. The argument is not about reasonable doubts but a perfect source for the statement. LeaveSleaves (talk) 05:42, 29 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Loodog:
 * I am apolitical, and have no relevant opinion in the politics here. I'm only interested in article quality.
 * I think that you are putting words in her mouth. I agree that it is almost certainly likely that your interpretation is what she meant, but absent a source, we need to go with what is written.
 * If there were a source clarifying her position on this statement, then so be it. Source and include (though I would more support eaving it as it is, and adding a sourced interpretation as a follow up statement).  If she has statements clarifying her political beliefs, then that too should be sourced and included.
 * However, for whatever reason (to be less confrontational, to be subtle, to be funny ????) she couched her words this way, and I think it is close (or directly) violating WP:OR to interpret this. I mean, for all I know, she really doesn't like playing the character, doesn't like going back to SNL, etc, and wants a good excuse to not do the character again (admitadly, I think your interpretation is correct, but my opinion shouldn't have any weight in an interpretation being included in an article). LonelyBeacon (talk) 12:43, 29 September 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm also apolitical with regard to this issue. I think whether Fey says, "I want to her out of office so I'm not playing her" or not doesn't change anyone's opinion of Palin.
 * What about a slightly weaker assertion, like, "Fey indirectly implored people to not elect Palin to the vice presidency by saying 'I want to be done playing this lady November 5. [...] good for me'"?--Loodog (talk) 13:50, 29 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Could you provide a direct valid source that says that statement as it is (no derivatives)? Else, no. LeaveSleaves (talk) 13:56, 29 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Okay, let me try this from the other end, then:
 * "Though Fey did not explicitly implore people against voting for the candidate's ticket, she talk about her desire to not keep the role, saying, "I want to be done playing this lady November 5. [...] good for me."
 * Again, I'm not trying to politicize this. The reason I take issue is to just summarize her statement so literally seems excessively concrete, and even obtuse, like we actually took her comment at face value.--Loodog (talk) 16:16, 29 September 2008 (UTC)
 * We actually should take her comment to the face value. I hope you understand what LonelyBacon said earlier. Although we may analyze her statement personally (and it's only natural to do so), we shouldn't let that interfere with writing an unbiased, properly sourced statement. If in future there is a further elaboration on her stand, it's fine to write so. But based on the statement available, it won't be correct to deduce her political viewpoint. LeaveSleaves (talk) 16:26, 29 September 2008 (UTC)
 * No, I understand that, which I why tried to go at the rephrase by mentioning what she does not say. My latest phrase includes the statements, "she talked about her desire to not keep the role", which is not interpretation so much as summary, and "did not explicitly implore people against voting for the candidate's ticket" which also is a statement of fact and has no interpretation in it.  No interpretation = no OR, yes?--Loodog (talk) 16:37, 29 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Why mention that she didn't implore it? It still sends a connotation, something that may not be intended. Did someone expect her to say it? Has she made any statements earlier that indicate her opposition to Palin or McCain as respective candidates? I fail to understand why do you find the need to derive her political stand from this statement. LeaveSleaves (talk) 16:58, 29 September 2008 (UTC)
 * My reasons are mentioned above. It just sounds like someone's telling a joke and we're too obtuse to get it.  Like someone tells a rabbi, priest and a minister joke and we reply, "Wait, which rabbi was this?"--Loodog (talk) 20:14, 29 September 2008 (UTC)

Okay, here's what I've done: (1) I've removed the bit about "imploring" since that's interpretation, and (2) I've removed the sentence in the article saying "sure that her role as Palin would not be more long-term" because all we're doing is concretely and redundantly copying her statement and writing it as if we're missing the subtle nod, and (3) wikilinked "November 5" to "United States presidential election, 2008" so that people who aren't Americans can know why that date was mentioned out of all possible dates.

I'm happy with this. :) The quote is the only thing saying anything, which leaves the reader free to interpret the obvious meaning without constraints from us on what it can be taken as.--Loodog (talk) 04:01, 30 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Solved then. Good job! LeaveSleaves (talk) 04:07, 30 September 2008 (UTC)

A longstanding challenge occasioned by satirists is for the audience to realize that the satirist is not to be taken at face value (to comprehend, e.g., that Aldous Huxley did not want society to become the way it is in Brave New World). But once that correct perception starts—that the satirist is not expressing prima facie what the satirist feels—a shift by the satirist back to face value is difficult, impossible, unlikely, or out of character. The best procedure with Tina Fey, as it would be with Johnathan Swift, is to let her quotation stand as it was without editorial filter. Rammer (talk) 21:14, 11 October 2008 (UTC)


 * The article says that she appeared with McCain on Nov 1st... that wasn't really him, right? It really looked like him... and it wasn't Darryl Hammond. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.73.70.113 (talk) 03:39, 2 November 2008 (UTC)
 * That was him. -R. fiend (talk) 03:44, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

This appears to have been removed alltogether (unless I just mist it somehow?). Was the "end this by November 4" statement referenced. Could someone who knows about it put it back. Even in England we've herd of Palin & the election. Dannman (talk) 15:20, 2 December 2011 (UTC)

"Current Husband"
The article refers to her husband as her "current husband". From what I can see she has only bee married the once and she is still married. Doesn't "current husband" imply that she has been married more than once or, at the very least, her mariage lacks permanence in some respect?

Any objects if I change it?

Bensonby (talk) 22:23, 23 February 2012 (UTC)


 * Seems reasonable. --MikeUMA (talk) 20:14, 24 February 2012 (UTC)

Changed. Bensonby (talk) 00:02, 27 February 2012 (UTC)

Scar location
Don't you think we should move how she got her scar to early life? I mean, she got her scar when she was young, so the scar should be mentioned in her early life. Ginnina (talk) 22:13, 18 January 2009 (UTC)Ginnina (talk)

I agree with you. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 190.75.26.84 (talk) 16:29, 10 April 2010 (UTC)


 * I didn't put it there, but I figured it was because it was more of a personal story than an early childhood one. Estheroliver (talk) 07:21, 18 March 2011 (UTC)

Something from her past which happened to her is not something that is a part of her personal life. Getting attacked is not a hobby or decision or foreseeable result thereof. It belongs right between the part about her family at the beginning of her early life and the part about being exposed to comedy at an early age. Would fit nicely. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.103.53.7 (talk) 05:30, 21 January 2013 (UTC) 208.103.53.7 (talk) 05:40, 21 January 2013 (UTC)

Reversion of article
So, what is the consensus, Tina Fey fans? Liz Read! Talk! 00:15, 21 October 2013 (UTC)
 * 1) 2605:e000:96c0:af00:807c:dbfb:ec44:e105 made this bold edit: (diff1)
 * 2) I reverted it back to the original version (diff2)
 * 3) Monterrosa rereverted my reversion (diff3)

Condense filmography
I was editing Tina's filmography section and I was wondering whether we should condense her Saturday Night Live appearances into one row (or maybe two, to separate her appearances as a cast member from her appearances as a host) because currently Saturday Night Live appears five times in the Television Filmography table. So this:

would become this:

or this:

but that second row could also be:

or something similar. If anyone has any suggestions then please do add them here. Thank you! Rayna Jaymes (talk) 22:04, 2 July 2014 (UTC)

30 Rock Awards and Honours
Do these need to be in the 30 Rock piece, given they're already in a section down the bottom? It seem to skew the weight away from what the series is, for someone who doesn't know it. Maybe "Her work on 30 Rock won multiple awards: quick list here"? A bit hard for a reader who doesn't know 30 Rock to work out what made the show good/great? Although I appreciate it does have its own article... AdventurousMe (talk) 01:09, 4 July 2014 (UTC)

Sheet caking
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2017/08/18/tina-fey-urges-americans-stay-home-from-neo-nazi-rallies-eat-a-sheet-cake-instead/?utm_term=.9dc4893fbe3d

https://www.usatoday.com/story/life/entertainthis/2017/08/18/tina-fey-suggests-sheet-caking-as-alternative-to-protesting-far-right-rallies/579143001/

https://www.villagevoice.com/2017/08/18/tina-fey-weekend-update-snl-outrage/

https://munchies.vice.com/en_us/article/3kkk35/tina-feys-sheet-caking-speech-on-snl-provokes-strong-reactions

http://www.cleveland.com/entertainment/index.ssf/2017/08/tiny_fey_introduces_sheet_caking.html

http://www.slate.com/blogs/browbeat/2017/08/18/tina_fey_talks_charlottesville_eats_cake.html

http://verysmartbrothas.theroot.com/how-bout-this-tina-fey-give-us-black-people-the-she-1797989932

http://www.chicagotribune.com/entertainment/tv/ct-tina-fey-neo-nazi-rallies-eat-a-sheet-cake-instead-20170818-story.html

http://people.com/food/tina-fey-sheet-cake-snl-le-delice-pastry-shop/?xid=email-email-food-2017081815PM-tout1&utm

https://www.theatlantic.com/entertainment/archive/2017/08/let-us-eat-cake/537294/

http://www.sacbee.com/entertainment/tv/article167917682.html

http://ew.com/tv/2017/08/18/tina-fey-cake-weekend-update-reactions/

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Hypocorism "Tina" is unneeded
Copied from Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/Biography: There was a discussion at Talk:Al Capone where the consensus looks to be in favour of excluding the hypocorism "Al" for the full name Alphonse Gabriel Capone in the lead. In short, I was in favour of keeping it because although "Al" can be a "common English-language hypocorism" (MOS:HYPOCORISM), it is not one for "Alphonse" (not an English name). I seem to have been overruled (pending any last thoughts) by those who think it is not necessary because there will be no seemingly obvious (relative) confusion to a potential reader that the "Al" comes from the first two letters of his given name—I am still in disagreement—but if that's the way it goes, fine. My question comes to the example for that of Tina Fey (used in MOS:FULLNAME—although the structure was changed here recently) permitting "Tina" in Elizabeth Stamatina "Tina" Fey. "Tina" is also a "common English-language hypocorism", and just as "obviously" comes from the last four letters of "Stamatina". Put it this way, if we put both of the names in front of the average reader and ask them to tell us where the hypocorism came from, they would likely be able to deduce where, but I think we should be leaning more towards covering our bases given that they are both non-English names, and any supposed "obviousness" on our part is just WP:OR. So is there a reason that the inclusion of a hypocorism that comes from the last few letters of a name be permitted, but not one from the first few? It was said that "Stamatina has no obvious nickname." According to who? You ask an English speaker, the only plausible one they'll probably come up with is "Tina" even though it is a name that is foreign to them. Although it has also been pointed out that the most common way to create a hypocorism in English is the first syllable, it is not uncommon to have names that go to the last syllable like Robert or Albert to Bert, etc. But again, if "Al" is deemed to be unnecessary there, fine, but by the same regard, "Tina" appears to also go against the MoS by being a "common English-language hypocorism" (regardless of where in the full name it is derived, and also does not specify the language of origin of the name in question). <b style="color:black">Vaseline</b><b style="color:lightgrey">eeeeeee</b>★★★ 16:28, 27 January 2020 (UTC)
 * I don't think "Stamatina" is a commonly encountered name in English, and to me it does not seem obvious that it would become "Tina" in informal usage. The fact that Stamatina is her middle name rather than her first name makes it even more obscure. So I think "Tina" should not be considered a "common English-language hypocorism" per MOS:HYPOCORISM for someone named "Elizabeth Stamatina", unlike the usual situation encountered for nicknames such as "Al", "Bill, "Dave", "Jimmy", "Maggie", "Mike", "Penny", "Sue", etc. Upon very close inspection, the source of "Tina" might become apparent, but such a degree of careful study and inspection should not be necessary for reading a Wikipedia article. The situation might be different if her nickname was "Beth" or "Liz" rather than "Tina". (Please note that "Beth" is derived from the last syllable of "Elizabeth", which is Ms. Fey's first name.) —BarrelProof (talk) 19:17, 28 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your response. I found your example of Maggie Smith particularly interesting, as the "common English-language hypocorism" of "Maggie" comes from one of her middle names being "Margret". Therefore, I do not think that the hypocorism coming from Fey's middle name is any less obscure if than if it had come from her first name. "Stamatina" is certainly not a commonly encountered name in English, however, that does not change the fact that its hypocorism "Tina" is a "common English-language hypocorism", to which the MoS makes no implication that the supposed obscurity of a name plays a role in any way. Unfortunately, in its current form, there is no policy basis that would permit the usage of "Tina". <b style="color:black">Vaseline</b><b style="color:lightgrey">eeeeeee</b>★★★ 22:14, 28 January 2020 (UTC)
 * I agree that it is not especially unusual for a nickname to come from a middle name. I did not mean to imply otherwise. I just think that it is not so obvious to most English language readers that someone named "Elizabeth Stamatina" would be known as "Tina". My impression is that the relationship between "Margaret" and "Maggie" is more familiar than that between "Stamatina" and "Tina". I agree that if one reads it carefully, it can be discerned, but I'm not so sure that Wikipedia readers should be expected to make that inference by themselves. Please note, however, that Maggie Smith's first name is "Margaret" – that is not just "one of her middle names". (And it's "Margaret", not "Margret".) The word that appears before "Margaret" at the beginning of the article about her is "Dame". That's an honorific title, not a given name. Please see the article on the title Dame. —BarrelProof (talk) 22:28, 28 January 2020 (UTC)
 * I agree with . While Tina is a common hypocorism for Christina, it's not a common when derived from Stamatina. We should go with what is the most clear for an unobservant reader, which is to include "Tina". Cerebral726 (talk) 22:36, 28 January 2020 (UTC)
 * My mistake—Dame, the honorific title, was not the first thing that came to mind when I read that—wiki links cannot be in boldface, which is unfortunate in this case because other idiots like me have probably thought that that was her first name! I just think that it is not so obvious to most English language readers that someone named "Elizabeth Stamatina" would be known as "Tina". I think that this is a fair point. By the same token, I also just don't think that we should be making the inference for the reader that a common English-language hypocorism like "Al" is common for non-English names like Alphonse, Alfonso, Alfredo, etc, which fundamentally also do not have a familiar relationship when other hypocorisms like Fofò are often more common. <b style="color:black">Vaseline</b><b style="color:lightgrey">eeeeeee</b>★★★ 23:21, 28 January 2020 (UTC)

Are you fully in favor of not repeating "Tina" in the lead sentence, or is this an extension of the rationale for first-syllable hypocorisms used at Talk:Al Capone, which you were against?—Bagumba (talk) 07:35, 29 January 2020 (UTC)
 * I am not fully in favour of not repeating "Tina", however, I would like some consistency with what is enforced here under this policy, and since "Al" is being deemed as unnecessary per the MoS, I also see no MoS reason indicating that "Tina" be permitted. <b style="color:black">Vaseline</b><b style="color:lightgrey">eeeeeee</b>★★★ 16:01, 29 January 2020 (UTC)
 * In Capone's case, "Al" is a first-syllable nickname, which are common in English. For Fey, "Tina" is from the last—not first—syllable.—Bagumba (talk) 19:02, 29 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Bagumba, I see you changed the opening sentence back after another user changed it (someone had also changed the MoS according to reflect that change). "Tina" is a nickname, so Elizabeth Stamatina "Tina" Fey would be the appropriate method to display this (if "Tina" were to be kept). Answer me this: How does the example of Elizabeth Stamatina "Tina" Fey fit in with the "First mention" MoS alongside Fidel Alejandro Castro Ruz and Muammar Muhammad Abu Minyar al-Gaddafi which much more adequately show the use of "first mention" unlike Fey due to the insertion of her nickname there (not a true first mention in comparison to these two figures). Don't you think Elizabeth Stamatina "Tina" Fey would play much better in the "Pseudonyms, stage names, nicknames, hypocorisms, and common names" section to illustrate her nickname—being a much clearer defining feature? I challenge you to find an appropriate place to fit her. Along with "Bunny Berigan has: Roland Bernard "Bunny" Berigan."? That's the closest to Elizabeth Stamatina "Tina" Fey. I mean, if "Tina" isn't common, it would fit there, right? Why wasn't it put there? Why was it forced into "First mention" even though it is not following the MoS "the article should start with the complete version."? <b style="color:black">Vaseline</b><b style="color:lightgrey">eeeeeee</b>★★★ 16:35, 29 January 2020 (UTC)
 * If the issue is the organization of the MOS page, that is best discussed at the MOS. I was unaware that there was a Fey example there, but have made the MOS consistent again with a quoted Tina. Thanks for pointing that out.—Bagumba (talk) 19:02, 29 January 2020 (UTC)

Whether "Tina" gets repeated or not, please don't imply it's a stage name. It's her nickname, and I have added text and citations to reflect that, as well as removed the misleading "known professionally" phrasing. Regards.—Bagumba (talk) 11:39, 6 February 2020 (UTC)

For your interest. <b style="color:black">Vaseline</b><b style="color:lightgrey">eeeeeee</b>★★★ 17:47, 18 April 2020 (UTC)

Saved a man's life
More than one source, CNN, BBC credit Fey for saving a man's life. Somebody else, not me, put this edit in but I fixed it a little. Somebody else removed it and said to take it to talk.

On December 17, 2020, Tina Fey announced on the tonight show that she had saved a mans life by the Hudson River by calling the police

Vowvo (talk) 00:18, 19 December 2020 (UTC)

🇺🇸 USA UK🇦🇺 Australia🇸🇬 Singapore🇮🇳 India

Additional references found, making it one of the most referenced facts in this article. Vowvo (talk) 00:29, 19 December 2020 (UTC)


 * Just because it is heavily covered by many news outlets for an isolated period of time does not make said info a must to include in the article. We have to consider WP:DUEWEIGHT, and this is something that may be undue. <b style="color:black">Vaseline</b><b style="color:lightgrey">eeeeeee</b>★★★ 02:03, 19 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Some Wikipedia editors disagree because they have improved and slightly expanded this fact. Undue weight is always a consideration for all Wikipedia edits. However, if one is too strict, lots of Wikipedia articles would be deleted. Lenny Skutnik and Mauro Cía were heavily covered (or barely covered in the case of Cia for an isolated period of time and are no longer covered. See, Wikipedia's criteria of undue weight is not given a lot of weight, just a little. Reliable sources are given far more weight. Vowvo (talk) 20:41, 19 December 2020 (UTC)

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