Talk:Tiriyó language

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Sorry for the edit summary -- I added the wrong text there. What I really did was: (a) restore the old sections: I plan to write more material in there (as time allows... read: irregularly), so I need the overall structure to see where to put things. (b) I put a colon ":" instead of the IPA symbol for length in the pronunciation of the language name. Though I understand the need for standardizing phonetic transcriptions with IPA symbols from the correct character set, I also see that the resulting length symbol is simply too clumsy, breaks the word up in pieces that suggest separations in the pronunciation that do not occur, and, because of differences in size, makes the resulting word a mess. Till someone comes up with a better IPA set with a real length-marking character, I believe it is more helpful not to scare the reader with this symbol. --Smeira 22:32, 15 February 2007 (UTC)


 * I dunno. What you say is also true of other language pages on the rest of Wikipedia and no one else seems to have a problem with the <ː>.  Perhaps if you removed syllable breaks there wouldn't be so much of an issue.  Æµ§œš¹ [aɪm ˈfɻɛ̃ⁿdˡi] 03:42, 16 February 2007 (UTC)


 * I just realized that, in addition to restoring the old sections, you've undone a lot of other good edits that I did. I'll see if I can't restore my edits without undoing any of yours.  Æµ§œš¹ [aɪm ˈfɻɛ̃ⁿdˡi] 17:18, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

I appreciate your edits, which are indeed quite good (I like the table style. What exactly is the effect of adding 'class="wikitable"' to a table definition? Is there somewhere a list of 'classes'? Is it like a set of default parameter definitions?). Thanks! I do feel strongly about the IPA length symbol though, which is too disruptive to me (I've seen it in other pages, and the effect is unpleasant...). I do think it would be better to revert to a simple colon, but if there's an IPA-only official policy (is there? where was it defined?) then it's better to discuss it than to periodically revert other people's changes. Where can I voice my concerns? Is there an IPA-in-Wikipedia discussion page? (A less important detail: the number subscripts in V's and C's are so close to the beginning of the character that it looks as if there was an extra space after them: a closing parenthesis after a V2, for example, looks quite odd far away from the number. Is there some way to change that? This was the reason why I had originally used 's .)

I had originally added something about restoring the sections as stubs for me to expand because I thought they had been removed; but when I edited the article I noticed they were still there as comments. That's OK for me, I can then expand them; so the previous comment I had written here can be disregarded. (Just out of curiosity, is there an official policy against blank sections?). --Smeira 21:40, 18 February 2007 (UTC)


 * I'm not sure exactly what class="wikitable" does. I just know that it makes the table background gray, which is nice. Help:Table might help with the specifics.  If the  s work better then keep them.  Strabismus doesn't like subs for some reason but he hasn't elaborated why.  I've restored the subs and made a nifty little table.  Hope you like it.
 * I'm not sure if there's a convention of not having blank sections. I just think it looks really poor.  Hopefully we've found a good compromise on the matter.
 * The convention of using IPA for pronunciation is here and the discussion of which is here. If I remember correctly, before I installed Service Pack 2, <ː> always had lots of space around it.  Now, however, it only has a lot of space if it's not in the IPA/Unicode template.  Are these two  [ː] the same for you or is there less space on the first one?  Æµ§œš¹ [aɪm ˈfɻɛ̃ⁿdˡi] 22:41, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

Indeed, it's a good compromise; I'll start putting unwritten sections as comments in other contributions. The tables look really neat; it's really fun doing this!

As for IPA length: the two length symbols you wrote above look exactly the same in my browser. Does that change with installing Service Pack 2? Where do I find it? --Smeira 23:19, 18 February 2007 (UTC)


 * http://windowsupdate.microsoft.com/ should take you where you want to go. As far as I know it updates unicode and therefore the problem you're having. Æµ§œš¹ [aɪm ˈfɻɛ̃ⁿdˡi] 18:24, 19 February 2007 (UTC)