Talk:Tiswin

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I'm not sure how to go about this but there's an error here--the corn-based drink called Tizwin is sweet and non-alcoholic. It was brewed by the Apaches originally as a treat for children, although adults often drank it as well. There's a great deal of confusion about this because of the similarly named alcoholic saguaro beverage. Even some textbooks will insist that the Apache Tizwin (or Tiswin) is alcoholic, but it simply is not. I've done quite a bit of research on southwestern indigenous cultures and have encountered this error more than a few times. On an unrelated note I have a cat named Tizwin. :) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.55.64.222 (talk) 15:41, 18 December 2013 (UTC)


 * That is helpful. I'm sorry no one took notice. I was about to post that corn and saguaro are two very different things. Candleabracadabra (talk) 05:54, 24 May 2014 (UTC)


 * Tizwin most certainly is alcoholic. Geronimo left the rez because he had been arrested and locked up for assaulting one of his wives while extremely drunk on tizwin.  The Apache may have let children drink unfermented tizwin wort --- like any wort it is sweet --- but the brewing process as described by multiple sources makes it clear that the wort was fermented before consumption by adults.


 * For example: http://www.sacred-texts.com/nam/pla/jat/jat76.htm and https://truewestmagazine.com/was-geronimo-a-drunk/ describe a malting, mashing and fermenting process immediately recognizable to any brewer of beer. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 97.127.135.12 (talk) 22:43, 24 August 2017 (UTC)