Talk:Titular Roman Catholic Archbishop of Kuala Lumpur v Menteri Dalam Negeri

Verb tense
Much of the artilce was written in present tense and read like it was cut and pasted from news articles. The whole artilce probably should be rewritten and consolidated.Wkharrisjr (talk) 15:54, 8 January 2010 (UTC)

The Herald or The Catholic Herald?
What is the proper name of the newspaper? And do newspaper names get italisized, placed in quotation marks, left unhighlighted?Wkharrisjr (talk) 15:54, 8 January 2010 (UTC)
 * It needs to be italicized, per Manual_of_Style_(titles). --BorgQueen (talk) 16:00, 8 January 2010 (UTC)


 * Proper name of the paper newsletter is "Herald The Catholic Weekly" and the website is called "Herald Malaysia Online". Probably should move the page since I don't think the article title is an official name for a court case. I have used Herald throughout the article. -- Alan Liefting (talk) - 04:26, 9 January 2010 (UTC)
 * That's great but Allah needs to be italicized, per WP:MOS. I reverted your change; please edit the article again without removing the italics. --BorgQueen (talk) 04:35, 9 January 2010 (UTC)

Yahweh and Allah
If the link to Yahweh and Allah is removed without a good reason, then I will re-insert it.--478jjjz (talk) 11:17, 9 January 2010 (UTC)

Copyright problem removed
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Titular Roman Catholic Archbishop of Kuala Lumpur?
Why “titular”? Kuala Lumpur is not a titular see, is it? – Kaihsu (talk) 11:41, 23 July 2011 (UTC)
 * That's the title under which the case is reported in the Malayan Law Journal. — Cheers, Jack Lee  –talk– 12:20, 23 July 2011 (UTC)

Yes, but why the word “titular”? Is this related to the lack of recognition by the Malaysian state? – Kaihsu (talk) 12:15, 24 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Since it was the church that initiated the suit, it would have been the party that chose the name "Titular Roman Catholic Archbishop of Kuala Lumpur" to set out in the court documents. So it's unlikely that the Malaysian Government had anything to do with the choice of the name. — Cheers, Jack Lee  –talk– 15:45, 24 July 2011 (UTC)

Roman Catholic Bishops (Incorporation) Act 1957 (Revised 1992) – Kaihsu (talk) 10:11, 8 August 2012 (UTC)

Malaysia court rules non-Muslims cannot use 'Allah' 2013-10-14
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-24516181 "A Malaysian court has ruled that non-Muslims cannot use the word Allah to refer to God, even in their own faiths, overturning a 2009 lower court ruling. The appeals court said the term Allah must be exclusive to Islam or it could cause public disorder." – Kaihsu (talk) 11:42, 27 October 2013 (UTC)

Federal court judgment
http://www.cljlaw.com/default.asp?page=cotw140718&scrollto=COTW1 http://www.webcitation.org/6UzQquvaQ TITULAR ROMAN CATHOLIC ARCHBISHOP OF KUALA LUMPUR v. MENTERI DALAM NEGERI & ORS FEDERAL COURT, PUTRAJAYA ARIFIN ZAKARIA CJ, RAUS SHARIF PCA, ZULKEFLI MAKINUDIN CJ (MALAYA), RICHARD MALANJUM CJ (SABAH & SARAWAK), SURIYADI HALIM OMAR FCJ, ZAINUN ALI FCJ, JEFFREY TAN FCJ [CIVIL APPLICATION NO: 08-690-11-2013] 23 JUNE 2014 [2013] CLJ JT(6).

The text of the majority judgment (October 2014) is archived here: http://www.catholiclawyersmalaysia.org/sites/default/files/Federal%20Court%20Judgement%20In%20The%20Herald%20Case.pdf http://www.webcitation.org/6UzRJ7gLJ http://www.heraldmalaysia.com/images/file/MAJORITY-JUDGMENT_CJ,PCA,CJM,SURIYADI-HALIM-OMAR-FCJ.pdf http://www.webcitation.org/6UzRJaXEP

It seems that the case is still being appealed, the hearing set for 21 January 2015: http://www.thestar.com.my/News/Nation/2014/11/17/Fed-Court-Church-judicial-review-application/ http://www.webcitation.org/6UzSIJq8M and there are wider implications http://www.webcitation.org/6UzS85lF3 – Kaihsu (talk) 16:23, 21 December 2014 (UTC)

“The Herald, the Catholic Church's weekly newsletter, has exhausted all legal avenues to use the word "Allah" to refer to God in its publication after the Federal Court denied its application for leave to appeal the Court's earlier decision on Wednesday.” [http://www.thestar.com.my/news/nation/2015/01/21/courts-allah-ban-review-rejected/ Wednesday, 21 January 2015. End of the road for the Herald's 'Allah' appeal]

“The Allah controversy lives on after the Roman Catholic Church failed in its legal challenge for the right to use the word “Allah” in the Bahasa Malaysia section of its weekly newsletter, The Herald.” [http://www.abigmessage.com/tag/allah 29 Jan 2015. Malaysia – Allah Controversy Resurfaced In Jill Ireland’s Case]

--Kaihsu (talk) 19:27, 11 February 2016 (UTC)

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2023 government reaction
Malaysia to streamline rules on non-Muslims using the word ‘Allah’: PM Anwar Kaihsu (talk) 10:36, 18 April 2024 (UTC)