Talk:Titus Oates

Link error
I just "de-linked" Edward Coleman's name because the link obviously goes to a different Edward Coleman, one who lived until the 1830s in New York. Amity150 05:34, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

Guy Fawkes
Guy Fawkes died in 1606. What is his relationship to the event On November 5, 1678? --87.185.67.217 23:25, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

Habeas Corpus Act 1679?
There seems to be a conflict here as the article says "a provision for the prohibition on 'cruel or unusual punishment' was inserted because of public outrage at the treatment of Oates" yet earlier in the article it says he was arrested in 1681 and given a harsher sentence under James II who didn't begin his reign until 1685. Could someone who knows the facts please clarify? -- Kiore (talk) 04:25, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

Samuel Pepys
Pepys mentions a "Captain Oates, a great discoverer" in relation to an alleged Catholic plot, which appears to have been a set-up. This is footnoted as "Titus Oates". But this is in 1662, and Oates was only 13. Can anyone explain?--206.165.217.125 (talk) 20:22, 3 December 2008 (UTC)--Streona (talk) 20:23, 3 December 2008 (UTC)

Problem solved. Cheap edition of Pepys Diary. It is not Titus Oates but Captain Thomas Oates, who was later involved in the Farnley Wood Plot to restore the Commonwealth & executed.--Streona (talk) 22:52, 7 December 2008 (UTC)

Removed for lack of source
As initially stated, it was at least inaccurate [there is rarely a single cause for any law]. I began to rewrite this, but then simply moved it here for lack of source. It's unclear to me that there is any truth to it other than a coincidence of timing. Many other cruel punishments were carried out in that day [often involving death]. – SJ + 09:41, 12 August 2012 (UTC)

The punishment passed upon Oates has been suggested by some as an inspiration for the prohibition of "cruel and unusual punishment", and excessive bail, in the 1689 Bill of Rights; this was reflected in the 1791 Eighth Amendment to the U.S. Constitution.

Clarification of basics
It is possible to read the whole of this article, and not see what his motives were for fabricating the plot in the first place. Also why did he receive a state apartment in Whitehall and an annual allowance of £1,200 after being released from jail? Valetude (talk) 21:54, 3 October 2013 (UTC)

buggery
a question concerning de.wikipedia. the german article refers to buggery as homosexuality, not as sodomy, i. e. sexual intercourse with animals. what exactly was the issue in titus oates' case? Maximilian (talk) 15:57, 13 January 2015 (UTC)


 * I think you're a little confused yourself. Sodomy can refer to oral sex, and it can refer to sex with animals, but it most often refers to penetrative anal sex.  That can occur between two males, or between a man and a woman.  It is not necessarily homosexual in nature, since everyone has an anus.  (It can also occur between two women, but it requires a strap-on-dildo or what have you.)


 * Btw, "homosexuality" is not a synonym for "homosexual activity". It is simply the state of being a homosexual, an internal feeling state.  A homosexual who has not had sex with anyone for a long time remains in the state of homosexuality throughout that time; just as a straight person who has not had sex for a long time remains a heterosexual.  Homosexual activity has been historically outlawed in many places, but I've never heard of "homosexuality" per se being outlawed, because you can't outlaw how people think or feel.  --   Jack of Oz   [pleasantries]  23:02, 9 August 2015 (UTC)

Portrait
What is the source of the portrait used to illustrate this article? I did some searching to try and track down its date, attribution and current location but found nothing. All the pictures of Oates that are out there seem to be contemporary prints.

We really need to know more about the portrait. and we need to have a cited reference that the sitter actually is Titus Oates. At the moment, all I know about it is that a photo of it was uploaded by Magnus Manske in 2004 and it's included in the category Gonville and Caius College, Cambridge. So possibly they own it, but possibly somebody stuck the image in that category because Oates was a student there.

At the momet, it theoretically could be anybody.Catsmeat (talk) 09:20, 26 May 2016 (UTC)

A professional perjurer?
So Oakes was "a perjurer"? That's the whole of it, his job title, his identity, everything? Seems to me that he must have had some other position in life besides lying under oath. Why not "a clergyman who is best known as a perjurer" or something more neutral like that? AnnaGoFast (talk) 07:18, 4 March 2018 (UTC)