Talk:Tobermory, Mull

Article title
Policy for UK towns is to state town and county (or island), not town and country. This is necessary for disambiguation reasons. -- Derek Ross


 * When was this decided? I was under the impression no agreement had been reached on this. Warofdreams 18:38, 5 Dec 2003 (UTC)


 * The last "agreement" that I'm aware of was reached sometime near the end of 2002. However these agreements tend to switch backwards and forwards in my experience so you're probably right -- no agreement may well be the case at the moment.  In the absence of agreement, I prefer to rely on logic.  And to me logic says that while there are towns such as Letham (in Fife and in Angus) or Newburgh (all over the place), disambiguating by county is going to be much more effective than disambiguating by Scotland/England. -- Derek Ross 23:18, 5 Dec 2003 (UTC)


 * In the case of islands, disambiguation by island seems by far the most sensible option - far more people know that Tobermory is on Mull than know that it's in Argyll and Bute. This article was at Tobermory, Mull until it got moved last June, and we already have Bridgend, Islay, Calgary, Mull et al (and I can't find any counter-examples). If there are no objections I'm going to move this back to Tobermory, Mull, since "Tobermory, Argyll and Bute" sounds horrible. --Blisco 13:36, 17 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Done. --Blisco 11:45, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

Etymology
I'm guessing ToberMory means St. Mary's Well or Spring. Am I right? Or maybe even Murray's Well (but that's unlikely???)

Pronounciation
Does it rhyme with Murray, Gory or Sorry? - Kittybrewster  (talk) 21:37, 13 June 2007 (UTC)


 * ?Gory?--MacRusgail 22:39, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

If you're a native, it's "Tober" as in "jobber" and "mory" as in "sorry". Many visitors and non-native residents make the mistake of pronouncing the "Tober" as in "Doberman" and the "mory" as in "gory". —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.193.26.139 (talk) 14:13, 27 February 2009 (UTC)

Requested move

 * The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section. 

The result of the move request was: No move. No consensus that the town on Mull is the primary topic. Cúchullain t/ c 16:22, 3 September 2013 (UTC)

Tobermory, Mull → Tobermory – WP:PRIMARYTOPIC Colin°Talk 18:31, 26 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Oppose. There's no primary topic, and some months there are more page views for Tobermory, Ontario. Peter&#160;James (talk) 18:57, 26 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Oppose, verbatim as Peter James I'm afraid. In ictu oculi (talk) 19:29, 26 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Per WP:PRIMARYTOPIC. This Tobermory is "used" twice as often as the Ontario (what links here) and is the one with "long-term significance" being the original town (from which the Canadian one gets its name). The other items in the disambiguation page are ones that would never be confused, being all sub-topics of their parent. The results of a Google search vary depending on where you are based, but it is interesting that a search on Amazon.com shows the Mull one to be famous and written-about, whereas the Canadian one isn't. Colin°Talk 19:36, 26 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Both have been written about. The Scottish town may have more history, but there is coverage of the Canadian one(example) - Apart from the Saki story mentioned on the disambiguation page, book search is dominated by the Scottish one, but only because of the maps (as part of an Ordnance Survey sheet name) and charts. As a place, Tobermory, Ontario also has long-term significance - short term would be topics such as a band, an album or a company. "What links here" has a ratio of about 5 to 3, not overwhelming. Peter&#160;James (talk) 20:31, 26 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Em, you found a book that contains a few pages on a national park that contains a small place called Tobermory. In the Canadian article, have an (essentially unsourced) article on a topic so barely-notable that it talks largely about the surrounding area vs a short article on a historically important village that is notable in its own right. There's really no contest, even considering both are small places. Colin°Talk 11:45, 27 August 2013 (UTC)
 * That was just one example; there wasn't much for either. It may be the most notable topic (although page views are evidence against), but not "much more likely than any other topic, and more likely than all the other topics combined". Peter&#160;James (talk) 14:53, 27 August 2013 (UTC)


 * Support WP:PRIMARYTOPIC. The Mull Tobermory receives more visitors and is also the original town after which the other is named. --Rushton2010 (talk) 02:42, 27 August 2013 (UTC)


 * Oppose per PJ, origination does not make it primary (per Boston) -- 76.65.128.222 (talk) 04:47, 27 August 2013 (UTC)
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