Talk:Tocobaga

Tocobago and the de Soto expedition
I removed the statement that the Tocobago had contact with Hernando de Soto. "The de Soto expedition ... failed to encounter the Tocobago Indians, ...". [Jerald T. Milanich. (1995.) Florida Indians and the Invasion from Europe. Gainesville, Florida: University of Florida Press. P. 73.] Moreover, the chroniclers of both the Narvaez and the de Soto expeditions did not mention Tocobago by name. The name "Tocobago" does not appear in Spanish documents until the visit by Menéndez de Avilés in 1567.[John H. Hann. (2003.) Indians of Central and South Florida 1513-1763. Gainesville, Florida: University of Florida Press. P. 105.] -- Donald Albury 00:20, 16 April 2012 (UTC)

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Discussion about deletion of "nation" infobox
The study of ancient and historic indigenous peoples has been increasingly well-developed, and there are academic classifications and conventions about documentation through archeology and written records. For instance, peoples who are identified through archeology are generally referred to as participating in an archeological culture. There may be chiefdoms and groups of bands, such as the Uzita, but they do not comprise a nation state or country in any contemporary meaning of the word. It is Original Research, prohibited on Wikipedia, to make up a new way to classify them, as was done on a previous infobox. This approach is not supported by Reliable Sources, which we as editors are required to use. Editors need to read enough to understand the context for materials on the indigenous peoples.Parkwells (talk) 16:09, 26 January 2018 (UTC)


 * Infoboxes in general are a helpful tool for gathering key info into an easy to read format. While the nation infobox probably wasn't appropriate for use on this article, I actually thought it added some value. Is there not an indigenous peoples infobox? If not, I think that somebody should go ahead and create one. Zeng8r (talk) 20:21, 26 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Agree,, that infobox is not appropriate. Some similar articles use the ethnic group infobox.--Cúchullain t/ c 20:49, 26 January 2018 (UTC)


 * Yes, as Cuchullain notes, there is an ethnic group infobox, which has been used for numerous Native American tribes, including contemporary state-recognized Native American tribes in Virginia (I added the infoboxes to those several articles about these tribes.) I would recommend this infobox be used for these Florida chiefdoms and other Native American tribes. Parkwells (talk) 04:17, 27 January 2018 (UTC)