Talk:Todt Hill

Highest point on the U.S. East Coast south of Maine?
How and where was this determined? Massachusetts, Connecticut, New Jersey, Maryland, Delaware (we could keep going down the map) are all on the U.S. East Coast and they all have higher points than 410 ft. - Ektar 20:43, 1 June 2006 (UTC)

This was written on my Talk page:


 * I noticed you took some information out of the article on Todt Hill, Staten Island - about it being the highest point on the East coast south of Maine - that probably should have said on the sea coast south of Maine (see


 * Sea coast has a pretty narrow definition and Todt Hill is right adjacent to Lower New York Bay. In looking this up I noticed that the Great Blue Hill in Milton, MA, south of Boston, makes the same claim to be the highest point on the sea coast south of Maine, but it's got to be over 20 miles from the ocean, so that seems "inland" rather than "coastal."


 * I also added a paragraph about the filming of the Godfather on Todt Hill; I provided a reference, alhtough I know this from living at the top of Todt Hill in the St. Francis School at the time the first Godfather movie was made. Revmoran 19:04, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

I responded:

Let me thank you for taking the time to explain your edits to the Todt Hill article on my talk page. However, I have some issues with the claim made.

First, I agree that the term coast is narrowly defined, but the article specifically stated and linked to the "U.S. East Coast" which is not so narrowly defined. I also believe changing it to the "eastern sea coast" is disingenuous because that still implies the East Coast of the United States.

Second, as you pointed out, Great Blue Hill is taller than Todt Hill but, as th eGreat Blue Hill article says, it is within 10 miles of the Atlantic (and only about 3 or 4 miles from Quincy Bay and Boston Harbor). Todt Hill seems to be about 2 miles from the Lower New York Bay, and then another 4 or 5 miles to the mouth of the bay and thus the Atlantic. Making it at least 6 or 7 miles (or 2 miles to the nearest bay) compared to Great Blue Hill's 10 miles (or 3 or 4 miles to the nearest bay). With such a small difference, I don't see how one could be considered "coastal" and the other "inland." (Also, neither seems to fall within the narrow definition of coast.)

Third, and this is probably the biggest issue, there are no reliable and multiple sources cited for that claim. The external link on this page says "Staten Islanders claim it is the highest summit on the Eastern Seaboard south of Maine." Notice, it only says "claim" and gives no evidence to back up that claim. (Besides, the article also states that the Fresh Kills Landfill will be higher by 2002.)

Therefore I am changing the page to read "Staten Islanders claim it is the highest summit on the Eastern Seaboard south of Maine" because that is the only statement that is verifiable. - Ektar 21:17, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

Thumbnail of Todt Hill Location Map
The map displaying the photo of Todt Hill's location on Staten Island is incorrect. The triangle siting the hill is actually where Grymes Hill is located. Todt Hill is actually centrally located. The map below is mostly accurate though the highlighted boundaries include areas more properly designated as Dongan Hills Colony or even Emerson Hill as you reach the northern extent that is delimited.

http://www.hermanrealtors.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/IHCA_map3.jpg — Preceding unsigned comment added by LeRoiSoleil (talk • contribs) 15:55, 23 December 2015 (UTC)