Talk:Toei 12-000 and 12-600 series

Requested move 21 November 2021

 * The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion. 

The result of the move request was: MOVED (non-admin closure) Spekkios (talk) 01:48, 29 November 2021 (UTC)

Toei 12-000 and Toei 12-600 series → Toei 12-000 and 12-600 series – I don't feel that there is a reason for the second "Toei" in the name; they're both Toei train series and the first "Toei" communicates that effectively. XtraJovial (talk) 21:17, 21 November 2021 (UTC)
 * What about just Toei 12 series? That should clear things up a bit. Edgar Searle (talk) 05:35, 22 November 2021 (UTC)
 * support move to "Toei 12-000 and 12-600 series" as proposed. Nyamo Kurosawa (talk) 15:43, 22 November 2021 (UTC)
 * I think you'd be better off just using "Toei 12 series" without any suffixes. Edgar Searle (talk) 05:05, 23 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Did some internet searches; the name "Toei 12 series" doesn't seem to be used widely (for "東京都交通局12形" Google finds one exact match; "都営12形" only turns up a handful of matches - most of which are not reliable sources), so no, I don't think "Toei 12 series" would be appropriate as a title. Nyamo Kurosawa (talk) 22:03, 23 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Actually you're right; that was only my self-proposal, which is in fact original research. Well in the event of sets 12-54x – 12-59x coming into existence, that would indeed change their name entirely. Edgar Searle (talk) 04:38, 24 November 2021 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Split Proposal: 12-000 series and 12-600 series
The articles are separate on ja-wiki. More Importantly, the 12-600 sets introduced in 2012 are a significant upgrade (internally and externally) compared to the 53 older 12-000 trainsets. Some source work still needs to be done but in short, it would be misleading to identify the 12-600 series sets as a subseries of the 12-000 series. Exp691 (talk) 22:49, 3 August 2022 (UTC)
 * support per nom: As i'm generally not a big fan of doing stuff a certain way solely because Japanese wikipedia does it that way, this proposal is reasonable. While i haven't checked the sources, i trust the nominator with their assessment. Nyamo Kurosawa (talk) 17:39, 4 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Support per above. XtraJovial (talk • contribs) 19:41, 4 August 2022 (UTC)


 * Support Already split on the Japanese wiki and they are pretty different QuarioQuario54321 (talk) 19:37, 16 October 2022 (UTC)
 * We will split this article; 6 months is more than enough to split this topic. WP:SNOWBALL looks present Exp691 (talk) 19:51, 15 February 2023 (UTC)