Talk:Togo national football team attack

Reports that Kodjovi Obilalé has died
Is there confirmation (in writing) that the goalkeeper has died? All I've heard are reports on TV about it.chandler 16:19, 9 January 2010 (UTC)


 * I heard the reserve goalkeepr had died on the BBC Radio 1 News. But the BBC website doesnt back this up yet. 4 deaths was the number I heard most recently. --Footix2 (talk) 17:09, 9 January 2010 (UTC)


 * French sources are contradictories no official confirmation for the Kodjovi Obilalé and Togo withdrawal is yet to be confirmed too. --KrebMarkt 17:19, 9 January 2010 (UTC)


 * Withdrawal confirmed . Still no clear confirmation on Kodjovi Obilalé status. --KrebMarkt 18:07, 9 January 2010 (UTC)


 * Present reports (minutes ago, ~13:00 UTC) indicate that he has survived an operation to remove a bullet, and is in critical condition; the reports of his death were premature. So our entry is correct (for the moment at least ;-) Robert Ullmann (talk) 13:10, 10 January 2010 (UTC)

Why? And where the CAF's role...!
What significance do Togolese footballers have to Cabindan separatists?Brutannica (talk) 18:55, 9 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Can some one tell me Where is the power of law ? ?Volks (talk)
 * Fail to see your point? What significance do people from any country have to another country when they struck by coordinated [political] gunfire? Likewise 2009 attack on the Sri Lanka national cricket team and the Munich massacre

page move
Have moved the page to 2009 Togo national football team attack in line with wikipedia formatting for terror strikes and to avoid the oddity of having two "Togo national football team attack" should it arise in the future
 * I moved it again, since it didn't take place in 2009, but in 2010... -Lilac Soul (Talk • Contribs) 12:11, 10 January 2010 (UTC)

Really, I don't think that's necessary. If it happens again, it'll be moved at that juncture. Until then, it's just pre-emptive to move it. But I'm no expert on these matters. Seegoon (talk) 12:37, 10 January 2010 (UTC)
 * good point, seegon. Wikipedia is not a crystal ball-- TheFE ARgod (Ч) 13:28, 10 January 2010 (UTC)

No. of dead and injured
The numbers are getting mixed up as the initial reports of 1 dead and 9 injured included 2 who later died. This means there now ought to be 3 dead and 7 injured. Can anyone shed some light on this? The references are in foreign languages so I can't check. Feudonym (talk) 12:59, 10 January 2010 (UTC)

Additional information
Is there any information, where from moved Togo team and why by bus(es)? Where is the place of incident (which road)? I tried to find, but still not successful. Maksa (talk) 21:03, 10 January 2010 (UTC)

Bus driver alive?
According to the BBC Angolan officials are now saying that the bus driver survived the attack. The article also says that a second group, Flec-Fac, has now claimed responsibility - Dumelow (talk) 16:30, 12 January 2010 (UTC)
 * That's a really strange claim by Angola. If true, this would have been claimed by Togo since the Togo team took the dead bodies back to Togo and would be aware who's dead and who's not, although everything is possible. Tuscumbia  ( talk ) 17:15, 12 January 2010 (UTC)

"Political Controversy" section seems irrelevant
I was just wondering what the final section, called "Political Controversy", has to do with this particular incident.

If no one can persuade me of its relevance, I will remove it. --My Name is Wiki (talk) 00:33, 15 January 2010 (UTC)
 * It has a lot to do with the event, although does not have an immediate evident link to it. That is, FLEC and other groups which participated or might have participated in the attacks had been funded by the French government in the past and FLEC leader Rodrigues Mingas in particular has been reported to reside and allegedly use his French cell phone while the attacks took place. I think it should remain a part of the article. It gives just a short background of the relationship of the attacking group to the event. If you wanted to change the name of the section to better suit what is intended by the section that would be fine. In either case, please do not remove the section until we hear from other editors. I'd really appreciate it. Tuscumbia  ( talk ) 15:12, 15 January 2010 (UTC)

Are there other sources that can back these claims besides the ones listed? Also, I think the whole paragraph should be rewritten so that it flows with the rest of the article. For example, who are these so-called business leaders (i.e. the business's they run should be mentioned)? And, should there not be at least speculation as to why the Togo national football team would be attacked by a supposedly French-backed terrorist group? Even if the claims are true, the paragraph is not written well enough, IMO, to be included in the article. Since I think there should at least be more evidence and sources to support these claims, I do not feel obliged to rewrite it. --My Name is Wiki (talk) 16:10, 15 January 2010 (UTC)
 * The mere fact that these separatist leaders are reportedly residing in France says a lot about harboring those responsible for the killings of 3 during the attacks on Togo team, especially after Mingas' official claims of responsibility for the attacks. Therefore, it is very much related to the article. Any article that is about disaster, fatal attacks, etc will have a short background information with internal links leading to other more elaborate articles and that this paragraph has. Reactions from France on aggressive Mingas' statements as well as Sarkozy's willingness to end secretive undisclosed dealing with Africa's affairs is clearly written in the article with sources provided.
 * Remember that this is a short background paragraph. If there was more information about the secretive deals of the French government with the aforementioned individuals a separate article would be started, just like one about Angolagate with plenty of information. So, once that data becomes available, this section may be separated into a new article. Tuscumbia  ( talk ) 16:55, 15 January 2010 (UTC)
 * The text has little to do with this particular event and is off topic. Unless a specific link between French policy and this event can be sourced we can't make the links ourselves. Info about the group itself and its world links can go in the article Front for the Liberation of the Enclave of Cabinda which is linked for anyone who wants to research. --neon white talk 14:53, 31 January 2010 (UTC)
 * I still think the text has much to do with the particular event due to the reasons I stated above. It wasn't an excessive section but in any case, there is a section under Front for the Liberation of the Enclave of Cabinda describing the same thing; so, I guess it would be OK to delete the section from this article. I added the article on FLEC to See also section. Thanks Neon White. Tuscumbia  ( talk ) 16:10, 1 February 2010 (UTC)

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