Talk:Tokugawa Hidetada

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Succession box
An interested editor "tweaked" the succession boxes in articles about the 15 Tokugawa shoguns; and the change became a thread topic at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan. Although a corollary thread topic was posted at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Royalty, no comments or suggestions were elicited.

Aumnamahashiva substituted "regnal" succession boxes; and an plausible rationale for those edits was offered, focusing primarily on the functional sense in which the Tokugawas were hereditary autocrats. In contrast was an argument that the regnal succession box is, by definition, misapplied. Although the terms "reign" and "rule" are conventionally used by scholars, neither the Tokugawa, the Ashikaga, the Hōjō nor the Minamoto shoguns were "royalty" as that term is defined in Japanese history and culture.

Participation in this thread was limited, but I construed it as sufficient justification to restore the previous (non-regnal) succession box. This explanation and the links to soon-to-be-archived threads may prove to be helpful in the future? --Tenmei (talk) 14:31, 12 March 2009 (UTC)

article has mistakes, and some contradictions
Perhaps it is an English language problem by the contributor. The first paragraph needs to be corrected in places to erase the confusion in its statements. There is a statement later on about Ieyasu and Hidetada's relationship "never recovered" - according to? That certainly is not supported by Sansom or Murdoch. Ieyasu would not have kept this son as his heir if that was so. . . HammerFilmFan (talk) 03:33, 28 July 2010 (UTC)HammerFilmFan

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The second paragraph under Shogun has a cite that doesn’t say anything in support of the first sentence, which says that Ieyasu was dismayed by the marriage of his granddaughter

In the subsequent paragraph there is zero source for the claim that “father and son disagreed” about how to approach the siege 2601:183:4882:6130:1D1E:88A8:7CF4:CE83 (talk) 21:56, 1 March 2024 (UTC)